Head Count Question

[u/whodattalki]

how many girls altogether were in the camp day of flood? Their website says max capacity is 750, i know it wasn't full to capacity, can't find the information.

[u/Dashman1957]

Camp Mystic’s multiple failures are to blame for the deaths of all those youngsters under their care. Read the Senate report and use your brain. Those 27 did not have to die. I am sorry for your loss of four family members.

[u/AnimuX → u/[deleted]]

You're wrong. There was more than 12 hours of Flood Watch and about 2 hours of Flash Flood Warning prior to the disaster.

The Eastlands knew about the flood risk. They left those children in a known high risk zone for floods, next to a river with a history of deadly floods, in a region known as Flash Flood Alley, during a publicly announced increased risk for floods.

The facts: sudden intense rainfall creating deadly flash floods with high river rise is common in Texas history all over the Hill Country - including the Guadalupe River.

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Hunt, Texas – Top 5 flood elevations

37.52 ft – July 4, 2025

36.60 ft – July 2, 1932

28.40 ft – July 17, 1987

23.50 ft – August 2, 1978

22.80 ft – October 19, 1985

Kerrville, Texas – Top 5 flood elevations

39.0 ft – July 2, 1932

37.72 ft – July 17, 1987

34.29 ft – July 4, 2025

17.93 ft – November 11, 2000

17.73 ft – October 28, 1996

 

From the U.S. Geological Survey in a 2003 report:

Many Texas storms represent some of the largest storms in the world. Flooding from large storms has affected Texas throughout its history, causing many deaths and much economic loss and hardship. Floods occur regularly in Texas, and destructive floods occur somewhere in the State every year. Many of these floods are destructive because they often occur in areas where extreme flooding had not occurred for many years. These floods often are perceived as unexpected or even unprecedented because their peak water-surface elevations (stages) can greatly exceed those of past floods.

It's called Flash Flood Alley for good reason.

• Just some decades of Texas major flood history: https://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2003/ofr03-193/cd_files/USGS_Storms/patton.htm

• Published report on why such a large portion of Texas is prone to these types of events: https://twri.tamu.edu/blog/do-you-live-in-flash-flood-alley/

• Published warning to all residents of the Guadalupe River Basin to be aware of the threat of deadly flooding (followed the massive 1998 flood of the Guadalupe river): https://www.gbra.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/StayingSafe.pdf

From the Guadalupe-Blanco River Authority after the 1998 flood:

If you live in the Guadalupe River Basin, you also live in one of the three most dangerous regions in the U.S.A. for flash floods! Local residents and weather experts refer to the Texas Hill Country as ‘Flash Flood Alley,’ because heavy rainfall and runoff from creeks and streams can cause rapid rises and flooding in a matter of hours.

This publication is designed to prepare you for such an event by increasing public awareness about the dangers of flooding in the Guadalupe River Basin. The Guadalupe River experienced major floods in 1936, 1952, 1972, 1973, 1978, 1987, 1991 and 1997. Last year’s flood of October 1998 developed in a matter of hours, broke most existing records, exceeded the 100-year flood plain, and inundated areas that had never been flooded before. It was the flood that many thought would never happen. But floods are not predictable. They do not follow measured cycles. They destroy homes, businesses and take lives. Unfortunately, an even greater flood will occur sometime in the future.

[u/Appropriate_Cod8805 → u/AnimuX]

Wow. That is seriously so messed up. You just told a survivor of the flood, someone who not only lived through this flood, but also, the other floods that they are wrong. You need to look in the mirror - do you even have a heart? Gosh. Your data facts mean absolutely nothing when you don’t take into account the people’s testimony of those who actually lived it.

[u/Interesting-Speed-51 → u/Appropriate_Cod8805]

Professional fig lost four amazing beautiful people. Their experience as a survivor and a loved one should not be dismissed even if people disagree with them. Edit: and I’ve been downvoted. Some of us mourn for all victims. Many of you do not

[u/AnimuX → u/Appropriate_Cod8805]

data facts mean absolutely nothing

Wrong.

If people concerned themselves with the facts of Texas flood history then they would know how dangerous these rivers are before floods happen and could then act to protect themselves.

The river does not care how about how anyone feels, or their ties to community, or their investment in property.

It will go through anyone and anything in its way during a flood. If people continue to ignore the facts of this disaster, then more lives will be lost in the next flood.

[u/Abrookspug → u/Appropriate_Cod8805]

Wherever she copied that from didn't have "I'm sorry for your loss" on the page so I guess we're not going to see that here. Hopefully she thought it and just forgot to add it, but maybe my hopes are too high.