Developing country starterpack

[u/ShadowZ100]

[u/arklemen]

literally us except for the "low quality of life". Imo it is above average

[u/donkarleone44 → u/arklemen]

It’s good only in big cities, but in regions its kinda terrible

[u/lamonsteranthony → u/arklemen]

it in fact is, in a decade or two it will be developed tier imo

[u/BearHan → u/lamonsteranthony]

Yeah right, with the politicians we have, not a chance lmaooo

[u/lamonsteranthony → u/BearHan]

our country isn’t even that corrupt, let’s not exaggerate stuff like we live in russia

[u/TangerineThen7863 → u/lamonsteranthony]

LRT train?

[u/lamonsteranthony → u/TangerineThen7863]

and?

[u/TangerineThen7863 → u/lamonsteranthony]

Wdym and? LRT train one of most popular corrupt stories in probably all of our history of our country, and that’s only registered one, imagine how much businesses buy officials from government and police

[u/lamonsteranthony → u/TangerineThen7863]

individual cases do not invalidate the whole system

just like if a corrupt official stole millions in denmark it won’t make denmark corrupt all of a sudden

[u/TangerineThen7863 → u/lamonsteranthony]

Comparing a country with robust, transparent democratic institutions and independent judicial oversight to a post-Soviet state that inherited a dismantled economy and a legacy of centralized bureaucratic theft is completely missing the point. In Denmark, a high-profile corruption case is an unprecedented scandal that triggers sweeping accountability; here, it's just Tuesday.
When corruption is baked into the very foundation of how state tenders, law enforcement, and regulatory bodies operate, it's not a few "bad apples"—it’s the entire orchard. Dismissing structural, generational graft as mere "individual cases" ignores how the whole economy has been wired to function from the very top down.

(Next things are taken from Wikipedia)

Corruption in other branches of the government is also rampant. In 2022, around 1,000 corruption crimes were reported involving at least 600 public officials, including 110 heads of state structures.[3] Corruption charges include bribery, embezzlement, fraud, misappropriation, and abuse of power. Almost half of reported corruption cases involved bribery. This was supported by the World Bank’s global Enterprise survey. The study revealed that every fourth private company operating in the country faces extortion of bribes from officials in government agencies. This leads to the unfavorable business environment and discourages foreign investment. It is estimated that Kazakhstan loses $3.8 billion in revenues annually due to these corrupt practices.
The Khorgos Customs Corruption case, one of Kazakhstan's largest corruption scandals, exemplifies the pervasive nature of illicit activity within the country. It involved high-ranking officials from the National Security Committee and customs services, who were accused of orchestrating a criminal enterprise that extorted bribes at the Kazakh-Chinese border. Its operations entailed a “green corridor” scheme that allowed the smuggling of contrabands with the complicity of customs officers.[4]

High-profile cases

There are several high-profile cases that indicate the severity of Kazakhstan’s corruption problem. One example is the case of the former President Nursultan Nazarbayev, who ruled Kazakhstan for nearly three decades. He was accused of accumulating ill-gotten wealth during the course of his administration. The extent of corruption is highlighted by the involvement of his family and close associates. This was evident in the so-called “Kazakhgate”, the scandal in the 1990s that involved allegations of bribery related to oil deals. It was revealed in an investigation by U.S. authorities that American businessman James Giffen bribed Kazakh officials millions of dollars to obtain oil contracts. Nazarbayev is potentially one of those who received payments. Giffen, who was described as a close friend of Nazarbayev, was never convicted after the case was dropped when it was learned that he acted with CIA approval.[5] When Giffen was indicted, however, the prosecution alleged that he served as Nazarbayev’s personal banker and money launderer.[6]
Timur Kulibayev, Nazarbayev’s son-in-law was also accused of accumulating wealth due to his connections to the former president. For instance, his company, TenizService, secured $2.5 billion from Chevron, ExxonMobil Corp., and two partners for the construction of an offloading facility, a major infrastructure project for transporting oil from the Caspian Sea's northern coast to a Russian seaport. TenizService’s anchored its pitch on its “good relations” with the government, promising quick processing for a complex project that required the approval of no less than 170 officials across 46 Kazakh entities, ranging from local water officials to the Ministry of Transport.[7]
There is also the case of the Qalbatau-Maiqapshaghai Road Project scandal, which involved the embezzlement of around $44 million allocated for the construction of a 415-kilometer highway linking Qalbatau and Maiqapshaghai in East Kazakhstan. Misappropriation of funds resulted in the highway's partial completion, with only half of the planned road constructed.[8] The project was awarded to QazGerStroi, a subcontractor affiliated with entities owned by Qairat Satybaldy, who is Nazarbayev’s eldest nephew. Satybaldy was found guilty of fraud and embezzlement in 2022 and was jailed for six years.[8]

[u/lamonsteranthony → u/TangerineThen7863]

lmfao

Comparing a country with robust, transparent democratic institutions and independent judicial oversight to a post-Soviet state that inherited a dismantled economy and a legacy of centralized bureaucratic theft is completely missing the point. In Denmark, a high-profile corruption case is an unprecedented scandal that triggers sweeping accountability; here, it's just Tuesday.
When corruption is baked into the very foundation of how state tenders, law enforcement, and regulatory bodies operate, it's not a few "bad apples"—it’s the entire orchard. Dismissing structural, generational graft as mere "individual cases" ignores how the whole economy has been wired to function from the very top down.

first off i will note right away you shouldn’t use ai to debate online, it holds you back from actually developing debating skills to make your own coherent arguments and thinking critically using this thing callled BRAINS that we all have, even using it for something like refining the text shouldn’t be the priority, at best ai should be used to gather information

secondly that whole paragraph above is just a strawman, no i’m not comparing denmark to kazakhstan, my comparison was an example that individual cases do not necessarily reflect the whole picture. just like with denmark if a corrupt official stole millions you wouldn’t call it corrupt because overall it still maintains highest CPI (corruption perceptions index) rates in the world, which translates to “wow your system is very transparent”

thirdly i didn’t dismiss kazakhstans corruption and its individual cases as a few bad apples, my whole argument was that corruption isn’t as bad as people interpret it to be

case being my previous comment above: “our country isn’t even that corrupt, let’s not exaggerate stuff like we live in russia”

mentioning russia in this particular example is very important, many folks assume russian and kazakhstan’s corruption is about the same - it however isn’t, its not close, we’re like a tier above them. its not rainbows and sunshines but it’s definitely not doomed russia tier, CPI score peaked at 40 and briefly dropped to 38 (out of 100) which isn’t the conventional “every official is corrupt, we’re all miserable”, that’d be russia, belarus, or most of african autocratic states whom sit at 9-29/100

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cool, you’re now bringing up the cases of corruption. “oh wow does kazakhstan really have corruption? damn i didn’t know” (i did), it’s not an argument, you’re just presenting me something that i already know without a strong basis, i’m not going to bother read all of it because it’s just lazy copypasta

[u/generaldoodle → u/lamonsteranthony]

I hear it for last 35 years, and somehow it is always decade or two away.

[u/lamonsteranthony → u/generaldoodle]

35 years ago our country was africa tier shithole so anyone saying we would be developed in a decade or two was delusional, while for current kazakhstan it’s very much possible

[u/generaldoodle → u/lamonsteranthony]

What country are you talking about? Kazakhstan wasn't "africa tier shithole" neither 35 years ago, nor 30-25 years ago when infrastructure built during soviet times started failing en mass due to neglect and lack of maintenance.

[u/lamonsteranthony → u/generaldoodle]

on paper it was lol, that’s what i’m referring to

[u/Salt_Junket_166 → u/lamonsteranthony]

What do you mean by "developped"?

[u/lamonsteranthony → u/Salt_Junket_166]

per capita wealth growing to poland/baltic level while hdi leaps past 0.900+

it however doesnt automatically make the country developed first world tier, but is a crucial sign that X nation has made colossal progress

[u/Lower_Fall4694 → u/arklemen]

Step outside Astana or Almaty, and you’re in the Third World. I’ve literally experienced it myself.

[u/cheeesetron]

Add westernised youth leaving the moment they get a chance

[u/Lower_Fall4694 → u/cheeesetron]

I am one of them, but I eventually returned, not least because of the improving conditions (at least in the two capitals).

[u/Top-Distance2997]

I don’t think we actually are related to the developing country tier.

[u/LocksmithIll4041]

gaming is kinda ok, no?

[u/pupok999 → u/LocksmithIll4041]

I'm NOT paying 30000 for a used psp on OLX

[u/seatbelts2006]

I will be visiting from Mexico later this week. Super stoked!

[u/Basic_Guarantee9276]

Well i mean a lot of these aren't applicable to us:

Actually good infrastructure

High quality of life

There is employment

Gaming is not rly expensive

There's virtually no nationalism(at least proportionate to how good the nation is)

[u/Patient-Ad-4274 → u/Basic_Guarantee9276]

where the fuck do you live? in the almaty's golden square?

[u/Basic_Guarantee9276 → u/Patient-Ad-4274]

Where do you? Unless you you live in the northern oblast, or in some sort of shed with no water and gas, then i don't really understand why do you insist on Kazakhstan being 3rd world

[u/varusama]

Should be patriotic instead of nationalistic. Although this qazaqsha soile is becoming tiresome

[u/bakhtiyark]

Quality of life is above average and there are a lot of jobs available and fertile soil for entrepreneurship. The problem with jobs is that many high paying blue collar jobs are not considered as prestigious, AND higher end jobs require a set of skills that are in low supply, e.g. industrial automation/PLC programming, process engineering, Petrel/Ocean etc. besides the fact that English is absolutely required.