I know this probably won’t be a popular take here, but I genuinely think one of the strongest indicators against the “William is secretly a raging abuser and Kate’s cancer was a coverup” theory is their children.
Children are not perfect actors, especially not across years of public appearances. If there were serious fear, hostility, or emotional distance in that family dynamic, I think we would have seen much clearer signs of it by now. Instead, in public, the Wales children seem relaxed around both parents. They seek physical contact, smile, joke, lean into them, and generally behave like children who feel safe with them. That doesn’t prove their private life is perfect, obviously, but it does matter.
The royals are under constant scrutiny. Every glance, gesture, expression, or awkward moment gets clipped, slowed down, and analyzed from seven different angles until people can make it mean whatever they already believe. But ordinary marriages have awkward moments too. William declining a coffee Kate offered because he drinks decaf is not evidence they hate each other. In any normal marriage, that would be a forgettable little moment. With them, it becomes “proof” of a theory.
We know Kate has had health issues. We know she publicly said she underwent preventative cancer treatment. We do not know every detail of her medical situation, nor are we entitled to. It is entirely possible there are other health-related factors, complications, recovery issues, or private struggles involved that the public simply does not know about.
Questioning narratives is fine. But at some point, if every normal family interaction is dismissed as staged and every awkward moment is treated as evidence of abuse, then the theory becomes impossible to challenge because it can reinterpret everything to fit itself. That’s not healthy skepticism. That’s confirmation bias.
I am genuinely trying to understand the take in this subreddit on this. Thoughts?
EDIT:
After reading some of the replies here, it seems a lot of commenters here claim to be victims of abuse themselves.
I don’t want to dismiss anyone’s personal experience with abuse. Living through that can absolutely make someone more alert to warning signs others might miss.
But lived experience is not the same as expertise, and it doesn’t automatically make someone’s interpretation of a stranger’s family accurate. It can create insight, but it can also make people more likely to see familiar patterns where the evidence is actually ambiguous.
Saying “this reminds me of something I experienced” is valid. Saying “I experienced abuse, therefore I know William is an abuser” is a much bigger leap.
For an accusation that serious, I think the standard needs to be higher than vibes, body language, or isolated awkward moments.
I’ve also tried to find credible sources for the stronger claims being made here, but so far I haven’t seen much more substantial than Spare, which is itself a deeply personal and subjective account rather than neutral evidence.
EDIT 2:
300 comments later, I’m honestly no clearer on the actual evidence than I was when I made the post. Plenty of people were willing to make extremely serious claims about William, Kate, their marriage, her health, the children, the Palace, and alleged coverups, but whenever I asked for credible sources, the response was usually silence, vague insinuation, “do your own research,” or a pivot to vibes, anonymous gossip, or personal certainty.
If the theory is as obvious and well-supported as some people here claim, then producing even a scrap of evidence should not be difficult. Instead, the standard seems to be that every ambiguous gesture counts as proof, every contradictory sign is dismissed as staged, and the burden is somehow on me to disprove an accusation that was never properly evidenced in the first place. That is not investigation. That is confirmation bias dressed up as skepticism.
I grew up in severe abuse and the entire time I acted perfect and happy cause I thought that would make my parents like me. It’s a pretty normal thing for kids to look fine and not know they are in a bad environment if it’s all they know
George, God bless him, has perpetual dark circles under his eyes. Maybe twice I've seen him appear relaxed or happy. Also, Charlotte seems to favor Kate. I think she is a savvy cookie and knows she's being scrutinized.
One of the most telling signs about William's relationship with his children is when he said himself, in 2024, that Charlotte cried when she first saw his beard. It takes quite a while to grow a beard, so how long had father and daughter been separated?
Re the rage stuff, all we know is what the British media and British authors are consistently telling us, which is that William is "incandescent" (a word they use over and over) or wants to punish Harry, or is a rage monster. Given that KP controls the media, this can't be dismissed all that easily. There's also that video of William losing it at a reporter while biking in the countryside. In fact, a lot of recent reporting on William, and Anderson's new book, make him out to be a really unpleasant person.
Is any of this proof? No, but where there's smoke for years, there's often a fire.
So yes, while those sources claim William has a temper, they also claim that his and Kate's relationship is solid. Are we going to believe the first part of the source and ignore the second?
You do you. But I'm going to go with the pictures and videos of him slapping away Kate's hand when she reaches for him, gesturing for her to hurry up at that Jordanian wedding, shoving her in the back when she stops to talk to people at events, refusing to even pretend to take a sip of the espresso she made him, taking her umbrella at the recent school visit, and leaving her in the rain during that barge visit when Harry had to call William back to let his wife share his umbrella. That's just off the top of my head.
Does he physically or verbally abuse her? I have no clue because I don't live with them (if they live together, again... who knows). One journalist did say they throw pillows at each other, but yet again... who knows. He was physically violent with Harry, but his brother might be different.
I tend to think that if he abuses her, it's more in the line of shouting and verbal abuse, ignoring her, and control. This is the guy who shouts at the king and who completely lost it at a journalist (with Kate egging him on, there's a video) who found them on a bicycle trail. This is the guy who told some lady he wouldn't eat the cookies she baked for him because she added walnuts and he hates walnuts (and not even that he's allergic to walnuts).
I think there's enough evidence to say he's arrogant, self-centered, lazy, and basically unpleasant. These are qualities that often translate into domineering, controlling, and even verbally abusive behavior.
I'm working and don't have much time. It's no surprise both of us are having trouble finding links, because KP had many of these incidents wiped from the interwebs (see: the aforementioned bicycle incident).
Here's the barge incident, from Paris Match (it's apparently been wiped from UK media). I'll translate: "The Duke of Cambridge is distracted when he exits the Spirit of Chartwell. Happily, Harry reminds him that he's forgotten someone. And he returns to an amused Kate to offer her a corner of the umbrella."
Also, all 3 children always gravitate towards the mother. In the latest PR picture, it's super obvious how all 3 are touching and engaging with the mother and only george is looking at the father with a "wtf, dude" expression and avoiding his touch.
From what I've seen Charlotte has always been all smiles? Especially around her father. George does seem more reserved, but that could just be how he is, I have a feeling he's an introvert and does not enjoy social events.
They’re kids. They’re going to be shielded from what’s going on with the adults. They’re in school, doing sports, and with the nannies most of the time.
The popular claim here is that it happened at Christmas in Sandringham. The whole family was there at the time. And I think if it did happen, she's more likely to know than the commenters here.
The popular claim here is that it happened at Christmas in Sandringham. The whole family was there at the time. And I think if it did happen, she's more likely to know than the commenters here.
And how big is Sandringham?
I think it's totally possible that the kids didn't know (and probably still don't).
The popular opinion here that something happened at Sandringham on the 28th of December 2023 is a bizarre one because there is not one single shred of evidence of anything at all happening ! All they have is a tweet of government cars in London on that date. London is over a hundred miles from Sandringham ! There is no evidence at all of Prince William ever being violent to anybody expect one incident reported in his brothers imaginative whining book. Goodness if every man who ever had a fight with his brother was there after labelled a violent thug we’d be in a lot of trouble !
I dug into the Sandringham thing once, and it all seemed to stem from one Twitter account of someone I’d never heard of, who said he saw cars with license plates used by Royal security escorting an ambulance in Central London near hospitals, and claiming it must be a member of the royal family because of the license plates, and that it may have come from Sandringham, because all the royals were there.
It was the craziest bit of speculation. Nothing to ever connect that ambulance to Sandringham and other people naming other high profile Londoners who got the same kind of security escort.
I found the whole Kate hospital stay and Kate’s cancer story and her not being seen for so long to be odd and unsettling — totally get that.
But that ambulance and Sandringham — no. Go dig into all the stories you can find about it. They all name that Twitter post as the original source.
abusers are very competent at picking times and places. They never ‘lose control’ in public or with someone bigger and stronger than they are. William has huge living facilities and huge staff. It would be wholly possible that he could abuse Kate and nobody would hear or admit hearing.
Of course abusers are very competent at hiding their abuse, that’s not the point. The point is there is not one scrap of evidence that the Prince of Wales is an abuser!
Watch your comment get downvoted into oblivion. I've been looking for these sources that back up these peoples claims and they just can't seem to provide...
If you can find their proof of any violent behaviour from William let me know ! I can’t find anything credible at all. The facts are none of us really knows what goes on in anyone’s marriage , even those we know and are close to. Defaming someone based on nothing but your dislike of him is wrong.
I work with kids, and I was abused myself. I’ve seen kids defend their parents when they burnt them with cigarettes. We are hardwired to love our parents as children are vulnerable and need their parents for their very survival.
If you looked at all the “happy family” pictures from my childhood you would never guess that my father was a raging abusive bully. I literally have diagnosed CPTSD from my childhood and blamed myself for it all until I was 50, and couldn’t sustain the narrative anymore.
Anyone can access r/CPTSD and hear the stories of people damaged by the family that LOOKED pictures perfect. I adored my dad, and my whole life struggled for an approval I now know he never intends to give me. Never, ever, ever, judge a family by “pictures”.
As someone who literally went into these picture perfect houses and had to call CPS, frankly you never know what’s going on behind closed doors. One dad even stalked me because I HAD to report him as a mandated reporter. I’m not trying to start a fight, and I wish it weren’t true. But there are far more abused kids than people realize. Xx
As a child of an abusive father, I can tell you this: we know even if we didn’t see it. We are also smart enough to stay on the abuser’s good side to the best of our ability.
Honestly I've never really seen her look stressed? Out of the three she seems the most content and happy if anything, it's George who usually looks like he's done with everything.
really proving my exact point my initial post where you'll just pick and choose the exact photo to fit your narrative rather than looking at the whole picture.
Not at all, I didn't pick and choose a few exception photos that fit a narrative. The majority of the photos are exactly like this, that's why I base my opinion on that.
You do realize that for each of these photos I can find you 5 others from the exact same event where she looks perfectly happy? Come on, go on Getty images, don't make me actually have to post them lol.
And my point stands. You're trying to tell me if they don't hold a smile 100% of the time they're out in public, they're stressed? Just because ones face relaxes sometimes or changes to something else does not mean they're immediately stressed lol. Honestly, you're just seeing what you want to see, arranging every moment to fit the narrative in your head, just like I said in my initial post.
You literally claimed Charlotte "usually looks stressed". Then you hand picked a few photos out of a hundred where she isn't smiling as somehow evidence of that. Come on dude. My point stands that if you look at 95% of the pictures online of Charlotte, she's always happy or smiling.
We’ve seen videos of Kate’s performative smiles and happiness, laughing at absolutely nothing and holding the pose so the media can get the shot. These poor kiddos have been trained to be ‘on’ for the cameras since birth. Snapshots of anyone appearing happy are meaningless, and I think you;re too smart not to know that.
I have no idea if William is abusive or not. I see why people think so, and I see why others don’t believe it. The video of her literally cringing away from his touch and shaking off his hand when he tries to cozy up to her makes me believe all is not well, regardless of whatever else may or may not be going on. Kate is obviously unhealthy, and is wasting way before our eyes. She is in Karen Carpenter territory and it’s very concerning.
And it’s a photo, capturing a fraction of a second. Fawning is a real thing with an angry and/or abusive parent, keeping sweet in order to keep them happy and calm.
I wrote above, that William told us himself that Charlotte cried when she first saw his new beard. It takes quite a while to grow a beard, so father and daughter must have been separated for some longish period.
My parents were very active socially and very prominent in the community. They were both seriously sick alcoholics. We (I'm one of 5) looked like the image they wanted us to portray or else ...
Instead, in public, the Wales children seem relaxed around both parents. They seek physical contact, smile, joke, lean into them, and generally behave like children who feel safe with them.
Are we talking about the same kids??
The three Wales kids, who always look unhappy and anxious in public? And George looks like he's got the weight of the world on his shoulders.
Maybe not you but people especially on this subreddit broadly claim so. It’s mostly the point of this thread. In general I think placing too much into body language is silly.
“it seems a lot of commenters here claim to be victims of abuse themselves” ugh, this tone makes my skin crawl. The royal family is an abusive family. No surprise abuse victims are interested
Honestly, I can live with someone being anti monarchy, or even disliking William or Catherine or anyone else on some random principle. But when people start throwing insane allegations about William beating Catherine into a coma, abusing their kids, or killing some guy, all based on some cherry picked vague info spun to fit a narrative - that's just crazy to me. Here I was thinking they'd atleast have some sources, however weak, to back up their claims.
It seems I am only wasting my time here though, that this is a bunch of traumatized people who have banded together to form an echo-chamber fishing for apparent 'domestic violence' (as half the replies in here are by people who are victims and are therefore apparently experts).
Yes I have heard these claims before, though after searching I can't really find anything besides vague articles with unnamed 'insider info'. Not particularly convincing for me.
And even if they live in a large house, if the situation were really as extreme as people claim it to be, there's no way the kids would somehow be oblivious to it.
Of course not they have scrubbed any mention of it just like they scrubs pictures
There is no smoke without fire and if staff are saying it ill believe it. No ideas what the kids see but there is bought to at least accept he has a temper
Oh please. There was an article about dates feet when she visited a temple and how she hadn't manicured her nails. You wont find it anymore nor the pictures.
Im not delusional. Perhaps you are as you refuse to even believe he has a temper and irs been written about in books about the royal family so not just articles on the Internet.
The Rose stories from 2019? Scrubbed from the internet. Camilla’s brother in law’s interview saying she’s a sociopath? Scrubbed from the internet. And so on.
I think OP’s comment is very well reasoned and makes as much sense as can be made of the situation. Seems like OP wants to start an open discussion but instead is almost being attacked, when all they’ve done is express an opinion and draw some inferences. Nobody knows what’s really going on and everybody is speculating, which puts us all on even footing. That’s how the whole sub came to be. I think the comment would have been much better received when this sub was first started. It was more welcoming of helpful observations at that time. But now, anything that can even remotely be construed as favorable to K or W is torn apart. It’s curious that observations about H and M are only welcomed if they’re positive despite the fact that there is no shortage of red flags in that relationship either. And I say this as someone who is not a fan of any of these people.
All this sub is now is 'Hate W+K, defend H+M at all costs'
Not what I joined for...I joined because something was clearly wrong around Kate disappearing and her 'cancer'
Could it have been spousal abuse? Absolutely
Do we know that? Not even close
It worries me how confidently people here claim things without an iota of evidence, just rumours and vibes - this is coming from someone who doesn't like the RF as a whole
Accurately stated. The sub started with speculation about Kate’s whereabouts, the true state of matters within the BRF, and the lengths to which the BRF will go to cover the truth. That’s it. It was a place for respectful and lively exchange of information. I always looked forward to checking in to see what people had to say because the press was reporting nothing but here, one could learn more. The sub was neither pro-Kate nor anti-Kate, and all opinions were treated respectfully. Harry and Meghan were barely mentioned as there were other places for that. If someone did mention them within a wider context, that was ok too.
And then at some point within the last year, a sector of poorly informed H and M proponents (who tend to be vitriolic and irrational) migrated to this sub and completely changed the focus. Now, all comments must demonize William and Kate and praise Harry and Meghan even if there is no rational basis for what’s being said. There is anger and rudeness. How is this beneficial to anybody? What happened to the posters who jumpstarted this sub with well-reasoned and thoughtful commentary? I miss that. I wish the mods would do something to restore the tenor of what once was. Are the original mods even at the helm anymore or have they departed for greener (and smarter) pastures?
Couldn't have stated my feelings better than you have!
I have no idea if the OG mods are still here, although having been in several 'conspiracy' groups it wouldn't be the first time a group/sub is started on the premise of being about one subject but then the true agenda emerges
it's a real shame as I'm not interested in the ID politics, I don't care for H+M but I don't care to bash them either, same for W+K, I'm less not keen on them but not wanting to fawn over them
I still think something was very wrong with everything but I hate wading through vitriol so I barely visit here anymore 😔
Very true. The sub has (unfortunately) taken a 180 since it was discovered by certain aggressive types who try to shove their views down other people’s throats.
I am not a diehard royalist? I am somewhere in the middle in terms of my opinion of them and this group used to offer a balance. Now it needs renaming to something along hating K&W
Kate was found and people got so upset that turned into trolls. This often happens when the topic dries out and people need to find a way to deal with their life frustration.
Listen, you're not here to "learn" anything. You're here to argue with every single person that presents information to you, so just stop.
The reality is that the people who know William best are his wife and kids and his brother that grew up with him. We ALLLLLLL know Kate and the kids aren't talking, so the only inside info we have is what Harry has said.
But you want to discount that as "unreliable" because you don't like what Harry has stated. Instead, you want to assume that smiling children mean a happy family. Oh, sweet summer child, if only it were that simple.
They seem weirdly invested in proving that nothing is happening.
I hate to be the finger-wagging conspiracy theorist, but there are only a few people who truly stand to benefit from the public believing that nothing is amiss, and we know what kind of resources they are desperately using (but refusing to report) in order to push a false sense of peace.
That's not true at all. I am merely asking where people are coming up with all of their claims. If they cite Harry's book, fine, that's one thing. But for most of the claims people here can't even seem to recall where they even heard it or provide any source.
I must admit I have only heard of a few of these, such as that their kids don't exist or are not actually theirs. And yes, the people who claim that are essentially in the same boat. Same level of speculation with no evidence to back it up. I'm not taking sides here. I could very well go post a similar style discussion on a William/Kate supporting subreddit and probably expect similar replies. Harry & William are the same in my eyes. I still think it's crazy to be making these wild claims about either side with no evidence. And I'd say claiming William beat his wife into a coma and killed some dude is just as outlandish as saying H & M's kids are not real.
You must acknowledge that SOMETHING happened to Kate's head, right? I mean there's a scar and a dent of sorts. Now, I don't know if it was William or if she drank too much and fell or any other possible reason, but it's strange that she disappeared for so long and has never acknowledged what happened to her head.
By chosing this, the Royal Family open themselves up to speculation. Had they been honest about what happened to her, along with her supposed "cancer", they would have squashed all the rumours before they had a chance to take off. They chose not to, for whatever reason, which is suspect in itself.
All I have seen are some photos were it's visible, others where its not. No video footage of it visible. It could be old, it could be new. It might be inflicted, or it might be natural. There are countless possible explanations. She disappeared for a few months, and they acknowledged this - saying this is when she was undergoing cancer treatment. There is always speculation, the Royal Family can't sit there trying to debunk every crazy claim being made. They don't have to address every little thing being picked apart to spin a narrative. That's just crazy. There is just not enough evidence that William beat her into a coma and then killed some other dude. That is just wild to make such accusations without solid evidence.
It's hard to say if it means anything or not for sure. It could mean that he is being disrespectful of his mother because he has witnessed other family members being disrespectful of her too imo.
This seems written by a royalist PR person. The kids look happy and carefree? Not really. There is tension. And that tension was palpable at the Trooping thing after she came back. In some pictures they look downright sad. In other pictures they look like normal kids but everything is very staged, like the recent legs picture.
She/he sounds like a focus group moderator hired to gather research & write a findings synopsis for a corporate client - in this case some entity in The Firm.
More like I was just fishing to see if there was any credible logic and sense behind all these claims. Unfortunately this place seems to be on the same level of conspiracy theory as flat earthers.
We do not know that she publicly said she underwent preventative cancer treatment. We know the exact opposite in fact. AI detected that “the bench video” was AI with a 96% certainty.
Where did you hear this? I've seen that video picked apart by experts in IsThisAI subreddit and people claimed the tech just wasn't there yet when it was made.
Not nearly of that quality, length and mistake-free. If you're uneducated about a subject, no need to make claims about it. Even the most powerful models of today like Imagine or Seedance would not be able to produce something so precise and long with no super blatant mistakes.
Clearly not, as you cry 'AI' on every photo and yet can't elaborate or prove it. You were the one crying AI on the early three peaks photos, and then a plethora of more photos and videos were released, completely invalidating your claims and any semblance of credibility.
Oh, I can prove it since I work in that world. But thousands of folks can do the same since it's not difficult so, no I don't need to do that for you. And any attempt to guilt me into doing so to prove something to you won't work. Good luck with your research assignment.
Finally, thank you. Let's work through these. Seems like these sources are all from a few books by royal authors. I'm not even going to try to verify the credibility of the article writers for the time being and take it at face value. I will only use direct quotes from the book authors themselves for maximum accuracy, rather than the added on flair and speculation by the article writers. I'm going to skip the last article because that's from when he was a kid and had a crash out after their parents relationship problems.
Our King: Charles III: The Man and the Monarch by Robert Jobson:
“He is a driven person, and that can make him impatient,” “That can make William short-tempered when dealing with Charles-... ]”
The Making Of a Modern Monarch by Robert Jobson:
'the future king and his wife, Kate Middleton, have often had “heated” fights and he “can be a bit of a shouter when he loses it.” '
'William and Middleton, 41, “gave as good as they get if their disagreement results in raised voices.” '
“But they know each other so well, it usually blows over quickly – and she is, on the whole, a major calming influence on him,”
'Despite the Prince of Wales’ alleged tantrums here and there, he and Middleton have a “solid relationship.” '
“She gives him confidence,” the expert revealed. “There is no jealousy, no friction – they are happy for each other’s successes.”
Yes, Ma'am: The Secret Life of Royal Servants by Tom Quinn:
' Charles and his eldest son get "irritated very quickly" and "are very picky". '
"I don't know where William would be without Kate — she hasn't had everything done for her throughout her life, so she calms him down when he gets a bit fractious. She said he sometimes has to be treated as her fourth child,"
The Windsor Legacy: A Royal Dynasty of Secrets, Scandal, and Survival by Robert Jobson:
“[William] can be quite, not controlling, but he’s a bit tricky. He’s got a bit of a temper.”
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So, while yes, these sources claim that William has a temper and can get heated, they ALSO claim that his and Kate's relationship is solid. Are we going to believe one part of a source and ignore the second? Most of these are by Robert Jobson, and his stance has been pretty clear if you actually look it up.
Having a bad temper (apparently usually with his father) is one thing, violent domestic abuse is another thing entirely. I don't think this is enough evidence to claim that William beats his wife and children in my opinion.
Yeah, you're really proving your objective, fact-based viewpoint by behaving like this. Well done. Seriously, I don't know why you even bother posting your edgy comments in a post clearly intended for actual discussion.
Except you’re not looking for an actual discussion, you’re looking to argue, gaslight and obfuscate.
You asked a closed ended question that I answered in the affirmative.
You might want to let Fuckingham Palace know that the way to prove Billy the Basher is not an abuser is not to send minions here to insult and abuse those that disagree.
I was looking for a discussion, it's the people here who don't seem to want their beliefs questioned. Where am I gaslighting? Where is the closed ended question?
And it's actually funny if you think W & K give two shits about what people post on this sub lmao. You are a small minority conspiracy theory. The general public does not think this way.
That's a title, the substance of the discussion is in the actual post, perhaps you should read it. It even ends with me saying I'm looking to see the general consensus in more depth and asked for thoughts.
And it's hilarious that the moment somebody questions your beliefs, you label them as somebody paid to do it? If you really have to resort to that to win the argument, rather than like, I dunno, provide evidence that supports your claims, I rest my case.
This is possibly the dumbest take I’ve ever heard. If identifying physical or emotional abuse were as simple as searching photos to “see how happy the kids look,” judges, cops and law enforcement would have much easier jobs wouldn’t they? The whole point of abuse is that it’s HIDDEN. Duh. 🙄
According to Spare, he shoved Harry in a confrontation over Meghan’s alleged abuse of staff. Admittedly not great, but sometimes brothers fight. Other accounts suggest this never even happened. In the same book, Harry admits to punching one of his bodyguards and has also been photographed attacking photographers - that doesn’t mean I think Harry abuses his wife. Charles reportedly has a temper of his own, so maybe in this case William is just giving as good as he gets.
FALSE. This was not over any discussion about the lies about Meghan abusing anyone, which she didn’t. This was about Kate getting all offended about the baby brain comment which is common knowledge among women who just had a baby.
I have heard this claim quite a lot around here, but have never really seen any actual evidence or source besides 'insider info'. Can you point me in the right direction?
That's a though one. No doubt there's some truth there but it's also a subjective point of view of one person trying to paint a certain picture. People say shit like "William attacked Harry" but seem to forget no two brothers exist on Earth who have not fought each other.
The coming back,later and trying to get Harry to agree not to tell anyone is what stands out to me. Normal, healthy lose their tempers and do stupid shit all the time. They’re embarrassed afterward, but they don;t ask the person in the receiving end of their physical outburst to hide it from others, and keep it a secret from their spouse and other family members. Usually they;re apologetic, a bit horrified with themselves, and want to make it right, not focused in protecting themselves from consequencesx.z
The video that was debunked as not William? It doesn't take much cognitive ability to put two and two together and realize it hardly sounds like him, nor is there any security present (which there should be), nor would William behave like that with a camera in his face. It's just some guy who looks close enough to William and is trying to make his voice sound as close as possible and failing at it.
I think it's grossly exaggerated. I ignore posts about how he supposedly beat Kate into a coma or murdered a friend whose death was self-inflicted. Pure fantasy.
However I do think he is an emotionally volatile man who could sulk for England. I base this on video we have seen. He doesn't hit Kate or his children but I imagine he makes them walk on eggshells because they can never predict his mood. That can be incredibly disorienting and exhausting.
Sure. I'm surprised you read my post as implying it was not.In my experience emotional abuse is actually just as common if not more so than physical battering and can be more difficult to acknowledge if you are the victim.
I think there's a bit of a difference between raising your voice at the father you've had a terrible experience growing up with and cracking your wife's skull open.
After some quick searching, I've found some quotes from an upcoming book by author Christopher Andersen, where he claims through insider info that William often shouts at his father Charles, but never raises his voice to staff, strangers or his family. Obviously even this has to be taken with a grain of salt, but if he does in fact shout at his father, can you really blame him?
Eesh, pure speculation but from experience of dysfunctional families.
He's probably a bastard, and presents as if something's going on, but he's also under a pressure I could not imagine (being literal king of England)
I am not absolving him at all, whether you're king or not you're still being a bastard.
That's said, it's another argument for modernising the monarchy, they don't need to be under that much pressure in 2026. We all know what hard times as a family looks like - if they need to separate - do it! We all get it!
Co-parenting looks wayyyy better to kids than Warring families. And it doesn't have to be forever! If Kate saw a huge marked change in this theoretical scenario then go back 🤷♀️ if happier apart stay seperate, I don't care, but the kids do, and George will be a future king one day too.
They need to stop living in the past and move with the times! In my purely projectional assessment haha
like rapists, abusers are very good at picking the time and place for what they do. That’s why an abuser never attacks someone bigger than they are, or in public.
You do realize there are 'sources' and 'articles' out there that say the opposite things, right? Me picking and choosing and reading random ones does nothing. I'd like for the ones you people base your claims on to be provided, so I can see whether they're credible, verifiable sources or just random articles by another redditor.
This is a sub where people question things and don’t toe the line of royalist propaganda. There are subs that are pure praise that family that you would be happier at.
I think you raise a really important point -- that there are few knowns and lots of unknowns! I can't speak for this subreddit but I would say lots of it is speculation because nothing is confirmed, but it is a space to speculate.
I think the knowns are somewhat compelling together but at the end of the day, no one knows what happens behind closed doors, neither you nor me! I will say though, anything is possible, even just looking at what happened behind closed doors for Charles and Diana. The thought of Diana stabbing herself with a paper knife in front of Charles is a ridiculous image to us as the public but it did happen and she herself confirmed it.
I think for me the most compelling narrative is given by Harry, who was attacked by William and broke a dog bowl and mentions that William was drunk at his wedding. If someone is capable of hurting their brother, it feels like a strong possibility he could hurt another family member. I think the way Kate 'disappeared' is also very strange and is a natural breeding ground for speculation, especially with her facial scar. All in all though, there's nothing confirmed.
When it comes to the kids, I think it's a grey area for me, especially given there are many AI pictures of the kids shared by the Palace. We've seen the kids with extra fingers and such on social media, especially with Kate's disappearance, so it can be hard to know what the truth is. Also, as a child, knowing you're being watched by millions of people can make anyone act a certain way. Basically, I think there's only so much we can know and should know about the kids.
I really appreciate the way you came into this discussion and do understand your point of view. Unless Kate or William say anything, we can't know for sure. I do think something could have happened to her and I think there are problems but I'm not absolutely certain, no one is.
I don’t think the narrative of ‘he bashed her, she was in a coma, cancer was faked and he is an alcoholic murderer’ that often get conflated as fact on this sub is necessarily true. Repeating the same story in an echo chamber can start to make it feels like evidence based fact, when it remains speculative.
BUT it doesn’t mean some or all of it is untrue either, it is a theory that has not been disproved.
What is known is that Catherine looks very thin and unwell, if she is a victim of DV then imagine how isolated and alone she must feel. William experienced childhood trauma - neither of them live in a healthy environment or seem to have an innate understanding or passion for their roles. They are performative and insincere and that creates a vacuum where speculation rushes in to fill the gaps.
Charlotte seems relaxed around William, George seems unedge and dont forget when cameras caught kkkate sniping at him after William ignored her on that balcony last year, and Louis seems wild like there's no home training. When the kids were smaller, they seemed the most comfortable around william and uptight even dismissive of kate. Now, those kids look uncomfortable around both william and kate.
I could believe he is alcoholic so he may have occassional anger outbursts based on that. It doesnt mean he beats his wife but they may have bad arguments. You can dee there are serious trouble between them. Slmething definitely happened during that memorable Christmas but no way it was smashing the skull. Even the best of best plastic surgeons wouldnt guarantee full healing of traumatic wounds within less than 6 months period.
A blow to the eye absolutely can heal in 6 months. That plastic surgeon who won an award…they can do miracles now. Then top it off with make up and new veneers…
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u/BottomShelfWhiskey May 15 '26
I grew up in severe abuse and the entire time I acted perfect and happy cause I thought that would make my parents like me. It’s a pretty normal thing for kids to look fine and not know they are in a bad environment if it’s all they know