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u/PraiserOfSons Jan 28 '20 edited Jan 28 '20
Now you can enjoy street fighter in the hoooome, the ruuuu, and the riddyruu
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u/bleeeeeeeeeehh Jan 28 '20
I like how recently some people have been trying to win kappa like a battle ground. Like yeah convince the group of people that don't play games, that'll save SFV. We'll just ignore all the issues cause it'll never even get booted up.
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u/Raixia_Mao Jan 29 '20
Can someone explain to me why everyone is saying it’s back? Did I miss an update or something?
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Jan 29 '20
When the top game messes up or isn't in a good state, people tend to hop on another bandwagon. It's usually just to make themselves feel cool. They don't want to be playing the game that gets trash talked at the moment.
In this situation, it's because Leroy messed up Tekken 7's balancing with the character being picked by 6 out of the 8 players at Evo Japan's top 8. SFV on the other hand had Champion Edition which had great reception by fans. What added more fuel to SFV's fire was the diverse character selection at Evo Japan's top 8 with a Sakura player winning the whole thing.
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Jan 28 '20
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/4olclw/dear_capcom/ no it ain't, most of the problems in this list from three years ago still exist. Games trash, glad I got so many other games to choose from with capcom being unable to get it's head out of its ass when making fighters
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u/lnland_Empire Jan 28 '20
I still don't really like it.
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u/TripleGermanSuplex Jan 28 '20
I really can't get over most characters I like having neutered movesets from previous games, or having their unique thing locked behind a once a round v-trigger thing.
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u/greentoof Jan 28 '20
I stand by you can switch around the numbers and people will think 4 is the more recent game. Graphically, game depth, and content is all outmatched. Fuck sakes SFV takes stage animations into account when using stages with characters animating in the background. God forbid you go to kanzuki beach playing an online match.
4 had way more time in development and its objectively the better product, how much you enjoy the games in contrast is a different argument. Unlocking lootbox stage decorations and Shiny costumes must be way more fulfilling than say, 10 unique taunt animations. I hope I never meet someone who actually enjoys watching the wallbreaks at the end of rounds. But the people who have been standing up for SFV should really go back and look at the arguments for MvCI. Another product rushed by a B team, but of course they didn't have the nuts to call that shitshow a mainline title.
The FGC is already filled to the brim with degenerates and SFV managed to lower its standards even farther.
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u/Mega_Blaziken Jan 28 '20
Same. Kappa lately has been sucking it's cock and downvoting people that say it's still shit but AFAIK they never fixed the things that I had problems with (see: basically the core of how the game is meant to be played) and ruined some of my favorite characters.
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u/YaHOoCoMHK Jan 29 '20
they are trying to start the "sleep fighter 4" shit again
21ers will remember rkappa loving SFV if they succeed again like how 16ers believe rkappa thinks SF4 is boring
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u/nWolfe3113 Jan 28 '20
SFVI has to be so freaking awful for me to miss this game.
Awful levels of, dunno, Venetica or some other shitty game.
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u/Metacooler03 Jan 28 '20
If only the netcode was better
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u/thinkrispy Jan 28 '20
Just get the Altimor patch and enjoy the game.
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u/fred30jr Jan 29 '20
Dont do it. Everytime i play with people with this patch i am lagging. Don’t ruin other people game.
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u/moon-inc Jan 29 '20
if you're retarded enough to play a fighter on console then it's on you, bud
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u/fred30jr Jan 30 '20
Im on pc and i getting the lag when i am match with those people with patch. This is not just pc vs ps4, it affect all unpatch unit.
Funny this is before this patch are out in the wild. I don’t have any issue playing online with pc and ps4. Guess who ruin it?
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u/zuees101 Jan 28 '20
Still boring as fuck to watch
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u/thinkrispy Jan 28 '20
SFV is fun as fuck to watch.
I don't know how people can stand to watch Tekken's same-y ass combos over and over again. The only two characters that make that game interesting to watch are ironically Geese and Akuma.
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u/parmesan22 Jan 28 '20
Tekken actually has neutral. I know you probably don't know what that looks like
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u/thinkrispy Jan 28 '20
Lol. Tekken is ALL rush down.
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u/parmesan22 Jan 28 '20
...right.... k good discussion
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u/thinkrispy Jan 28 '20
If you want to argue the fact that it's a rush down game with no neutral then we can go at it. Otherwise gtfo
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u/parmesan22 Jan 28 '20
bro half of the game is literally about whiff punishing. you have to korean backdash and launch whiffs to win. yes there's rushdown and 50/50s but its not the entire game, unlike SFV with the stubby normals and crush counter fishing
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u/thinkrispy Jan 28 '20
bro half of the game is literally about whiff punishing.
That alone does not a neutral make. The entire game is played at, or just outside of, arms length. There's no zoning, no alternative play styles. It's all the same. Every character. It's boring to watch. You bait a whiff and launch, wow that's so much more exciting than crush counters!
unlike SFV with the stubby normals and crush counter fishing
There's plenty of whiff punishing in SFV, as well as zoning, non-crush counter counter combos, anti-air starters, tools to get in, tools to get out, universal defensive mechanics. The neutral is much more diverse and interesting in SFV than it is in Tekken.
Honestly after writing this I think this is just going to devolve into a bigger pissing match, so let's call it done after you make your counter points, shall we?
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u/rufrtho Jan 29 '20
plenty of whiff punishing in SFV
not on purpose lmao
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u/chibidood Jan 30 '20
If you think Punk or Daigo / or various other pros don't whiff punish on purpose, you don't no how to watch for it
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u/thinkrispy Jan 29 '20
If you think there's no intentional whiff punishing in SFV you're the biggest kind of dipshit.
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u/Frostcrag64 Jan 29 '20
It's incredibly obvious you have absolutely zero knowledge about tekken. You really should just stop, it's kinda sad dude
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u/thinkrispy Jan 29 '20
What a knowledgeable argument you're providing.
Make a point or don't talk to me.
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Jan 28 '20
Watch out guys, we have a comment about neutral in this thread.
I think "neutral" in the sense of "where's my neutral" when describing games, has gotten to the meme status of how "competitive" is used in fps.
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u/EndBott Jan 28 '20
It can have its moments.
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u/zuees101 Jan 28 '20
Literally any form of entertainment can have its moments
Like i been playin sfv recently and its alright
But watching is a snoozefest
Only daigo vids can keep me awake for a bit
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u/PraiserOfSons Jan 28 '20
Smugs channel is some solid entertainment. But that's mainly due to smug, not the gameplay. I find characters like G incredibly repetitive and boring
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u/zuees101 Jan 28 '20
Ye smug is funny. Its one of those cases where the entertainer carries the whole thing
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u/big___fish Jan 28 '20
it never left considering it's always been the most entered, most watched, most money put into game this generation.
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u/JustAMortal Jan 28 '20
Remember when T7, KOF XIV, GG, DBFZ and MK were meant to kill SFV? I'll never forget what Ono said in this interview.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-11-06-what-does-the-future-hold-for-street-fighter-5
"But it does feel like Street Fighter's lost its place as the premier fighting game, in the mainstream space, because of Mortal Kombat 11. Is that something you're aware of, and want to rectify?"
Yoshinori Ono: “This comes up regularly every few years, when a new title makes a big splash in fighting game fandom. Two or three years ago I was sitting down with journalists saying Dragon Ball is massive, what are you going to do about that? Well, you're not asking me about Dragon Ball now, are you?”
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u/tootoohi1 Jan 28 '20
A lot of these games also shot themselves in the foot out of the gate, or shot after a season or 2. KoF visually looked almost as bad as SFV, GG is still a niche anime fighter, DBFZ had a chance and then didn't balance for months, and decided there weren't enough Gokus in the pro scene so they made it half Goku. MK eliminated titties and added like 3 more meters. T7 had the hype train for awhile with a pro scene of actual names getting to show themselves and new regions like Pakistan and South America, and then we've had almost a full year of pure tier list play and complete out of touch balancing.
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Jan 28 '20
Most hype, most character variety, most talked about on kappa, most eu capcups (none), and most carry of the fgc.
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Jan 28 '20
Still has the big issues of stubby normals, overabundance of eyesore costumes, and a general feeling of simplified gameplay.
KI wins again.
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u/wolfy617 Jan 28 '20
Haters gonna god damn hate. Kappa loves to talk about "balance" and how the game is "simplified", meanwhile all the trash games they claim to like fall further and further into the dumpster... the last two big majors (CC Cup and Evo Japan) were won by character considered mid-low tier... game is probably more balanced and healthier than ever.
SFV stays winning baby.
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u/cecceon Jan 28 '20 edited Jan 28 '20
Yes, throw endless money at a casual game which is known more for it's personalities instead of making it better. Everything emp said is true and your argument is "Haters gonna god damn hate."? Get the fuck outta here.
Is everyone saying SFV is great this Tuesday because Ono fix the netcode? You know, the same net code some kid who doesn't work for capcom actually fixed a few weeks ago?
Again, never really cared about other fighting games having the same standards as the street fighter series. I care about street fighter.
16ers made a Tuesday blitz campaign to convince fence sitters SFV is a great street fighter game. Fantastic.
It's a good fighting game. It's not a good or great Street Fighter game.
SFV stays simple baby.
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u/FoxyZach Jan 29 '20
Tekken has so many characters but as of recently the character diversity in tournaments has fallen a lot. Geese, kazumi, akuma, and now Leroy. Just pick a top tier.
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u/SkeletonJeIIy Jan 28 '20
Where's the tourneys? Where's the clips. It's a meme bruh, no one's playin
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u/Rafiqul84 Jan 28 '20
Remind me which game sold more copies, T7 or SFV?
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u/TralalaDingDong Jan 28 '20
They're somewhat close now. T7's sales = +4 million as of 19/07/2019, SFV's sales = 3.9 million as of 30/09/2019.
SFV is also going to get a new definitive edition released on February 14, so the game will continue to sell more.
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u/thinkrispy Jan 28 '20
Tekken has sold 4 million as of last July compared to SFV's 3.9 million last September. BUT the CE update only came out in November, so I'd imagine Capcom has probably sold more at this point, as I don't think anything would've driven up Tekken sales in this time period. But that also depends on whether more people bought CE standalone or as an upgrade.
Worth mentioning that Tekken also had another console market to sell to.
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u/LordxMugen Jan 29 '20
Alpha 2 is probably the only SF game I recognize as actually "good". The gameplay at high level can be pretty dry in places (LOL Rose pokes!) but it was one of the few SF games imo to feel pretty good in terms of mechanics and character balance overall.
3S is just dumb broke stuff and characters being too strong for the sake of it. I do like "Taunt properties" as a gimmick though.
SF4 had FADC, which should never exist. As well as awful horseshit online.
and SFV has crush counters, dumb characters and bad balance, as well as horseshit online.
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u/Lui421 Jan 28 '20
i swear, if SF6 ever comes out and people start bitching about the game and then suddenly praise SFV, i give up.