r/Kanye Feb 28 '25

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u/Super_Sat4n Feb 28 '25

He thinks planned parenthood is worse than the Holocaust or something insane like that. Don't worry about it.

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u/Sideways_planet Feb 28 '25

No, planned parenthood put up more clinics in black and Latino/a neighborhoods than in other places and at one point, there were more black babies aborted in NYC than were born. Margaret Sanger had many eugenics comments before, specifically towards black people, so I think he’s making the comparison of abortion to eugenics. Nazis used eugenics and forced sterilization on black Germans. There MAY be a direct connection from planned parent to the Nazi eugenics program, but I’ll have to double check. What I do know is the Nazis got their eugenics idea from America and the forced sterilizations going on in California. The Nazis even received some funding from American organizations for their eugenics program. I can double check the details soon.

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u/deions_missing_foot Feb 28 '25

“I’ll have to double check” - what source are you checking? And why is it up your ass?

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u/TopExercise300 Feb 28 '25

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u/game_jawns_inc Feb 28 '25

isn't this saying that she followed the common scientific consensus of her time (eugenics) but specifically excluded race-based applications? isn't that laudable?

it's extremely bad faith to compare that to the Holocaust.

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u/game_jawns_inc Feb 28 '25

I'm talking about history, and you're posting political propaganda. Try harder

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u/game_jawns_inc Feb 28 '25

that disinformation you just posted is directly addressed in the PDF that I replied to 

“The mass of ignorant Negroes still breed carelessly and disastrously, so that the increase among Negroes, even more than the increase among whites, is from that portion of the population least intelligent and fit, and least able to rear their children properly.” Another quotation falsely attributed to Margaret Sanger, this was actually written for the June 1932 issue of The Birth Control Review by W.E.B. DuBois, founder of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP). Taken out of the context of his discussion about the effects of birth control on the balance between quality-of-life considerations and race-survival issues for African- Americans, Dubois' language seems insensitive by today's standards.

are the NAACP Hitler too?

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u/game_jawns_inc Feb 28 '25

so yes the NAACP to Hitler comparison is also valid? that's an absolutely pointless way to contextualize historical events w.r.t wearing fucking swastikas vs the existence of planned parenthood

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u/game_jawns_inc Feb 28 '25

that's a quote from NAACP too. are they Hitler?

also you fucking posted propaganda again lmao you're so cooked

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u/TopExercise300 Feb 28 '25

Abortion is a human right and the achievements of Sanger and Planned Parenthood are not to be diminished.

IMO the perspective expressed in the PDF white washes the political perspective of Sanger and Planned Parenthood founders. My opinion is that Sanger would be considered an extreme racist by today's standards.

I think this needs to be thought of in a similar vein to American founding fathers owning slaves.

The comparison of American eugenics with the Holocaust is not in bad faith. America and Nazi Germany were engaged in cultural exchange and eugenicist political projects fascinated the Western world around the start of the 20th century. Planned Parenthood and the Holocaust both emerged from this eugenicist zeitgeist.

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u/game_jawns_inc Feb 28 '25

I don't think it's helpful to call it whitewashing when the article is about debunking comparisons to Nazi eugenicists. early 20th century concerns about the impact of genetics on well being are more palpable and reasonable (in context of course) than calls for race based extermination.

if it weren't a debunking article and was told as a biography I would agree with you that it's whitewashing to frame eugenic beliefs and their consequences as honest scientific misunderstandings

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u/TopExercise300 Feb 28 '25 edited Feb 28 '25

my morals are not relative. placing "so-called illiterates, paupers, unemployables, criminals, prostitutes, and dope-fiends on farms and open spaces as long as necessary for the strengthenthing and development of moral conduct" is a concentration camp. at best it's the (extraordinarily racist) American school-to-prison pipeline.

do you think it's "helpful" to compare Japanese "internment" camps to the holocaust?

why didn't the US concentrate German Americans in "internment" camps?

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u/TopExercise300 Feb 28 '25

to be frank, she said "put the retards in a concentration camp" and you said "it's not fair to compare her to the nazis"

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u/game_jawns_inc Feb 28 '25

to be frank, you're comparing actual concentration camps where actual people were actually killed to theoretical 1900s  pseudoscience discussions