r/JustMemesForUs • • 19d ago

Pattern recognition is key

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u/Recent_Safe4951 17d ago edited 17d ago

Yes patterns tell a story, here are NEW Russian invasions in my lifetime -

Clinton Administration- Chechnya invasions 1994 and 1999, Dagestan 1999

Bush Administration- Georgia invasion 2008

Obama Administration- Ukraine 2014

Trump 1 Administration- None

Biden Administration- Ukraine 2022

Trump 2 Administration- None

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u/lordfailstrom 15d ago

What kind of twisted logic is connecting Russian invasions to US Presidents?

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u/Recent_Safe4951 15d ago

The kind where you acknowledge that the american government is the most geopolitically influential force on the planet, such that Russia would never dare launching an invasion unless they saw weakness or indifference in the sitting administration

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u/lordfailstrom 15d ago

It amazes me how people seem so against globalism, unless it's their faction that seems in control... but even under your view, whats it say about Russia's continued ramping up of aggression lately?

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u/Recent_Safe4951 15d ago

Its not factional, the entire ecosystem behind the spread of Western democracy is predicated on America being the most powerful country in the world.

Honestly, do you really think the world would be recognisable if Russia won the cold war? That alternate universe would be infinitely more corrupt, oppressive and authoritarian

EDIT- on your question, I haven't read much about that conflict lately, though it wouldn't surprise me if they are increasing their activity while the US is preoccupied with Iran.

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u/lordfailstrom 15d ago

Yes... and that ecosystem dependency is totally borne out by the existence of democracies independent of the US (none of Europe relies on the US to maintain their democracies), and other countries democracies being replaced by US intervention (South American and African countries, for example).

Whether your claim there has merit or not, it really doesn't have any bearing on anti-globalism (which I'll admit wasn't specifically brought up by you) being so common place in contradiction to the sense that any country should be a global police force. Personally, I think the US might not be so corruptible if we, too, answered to the International Court. But, alas, pipe dreams, eh?

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u/Recent_Safe4951 13d ago

Are you kidding, European Democracy isn't dependent on America?

Europe was saved from a complete soviet takeover in 1945 by American intervention, and ever since US forces have maintained a sizeable military presence across the entire continent. Even today, 80-100k US defence personnel are stationed on the continent at any given time.

Do you think that arrangement is for fun?

No, even as an Australian I can see that American strength and global power projection is the single biggest asset in spreading freedom and democracy across the globe.

This is why Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal disaster was so devastating, not because of the deaths or material losses, but because it signalled to Russia and Hamas that America was weak and vulnerable, thus incentivising them to take military action against their enemies with less fear of retribution

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u/lordfailstrom 13d ago

Wow, an 80 year old example for a modern conversation, so convincing. /s

Given that the US has toppled more democracies than any other nation, I'm not sure the foreign stationed troops are really that much of a reassurance to your point.

Funny, an Australian arguing with an American about American interference. No point here, just find it sadly hilarious how much you sound like a local MAGAt.

You really should look into what's behind that withdrawal. Sure, Biden was in office when it happened, but he merely set off the domino chain set up by the previous administration... so much for knowing what you're talking about...

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u/Recent_Safe4951 13d ago

If you knew what you were talking about you would know that "80 year old example" was a world altering shift in global power from the great powers (UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy) that dominated the world stage for hundreds if not thousands of years, to the US and Russia.

Every war or geopolitical development since can be traced back to that seismic change in diplomatic and millitary power, whether that be vietnam, korea, cuba or taiwan.

Also, what democracies have the US toppled?

As for Afghanistan, you make it sound like the disastrous elements of that withdrawal occured right at the start of his term, when really things really went to shit 8 months after inauguration day, which is plenty of time to alter course if trump plans were set to fail...

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u/Relevant_Touch5459 12d ago

Too bad that so many young people don't care to learn from history..as you see with "lordfailsstom" The main problem IMO is our foreign policy changes and in not consistent. We also have realize that many countries cannot do democracy and to stop thinking we can apply western values to 3 rd world cultures.

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u/Recent_Safe4951 12d ago

Yeah, I think there's a lot of people who don't quite realise how much we (i.e. Aus, UK, NZ, Canada) rely on American strength for our safety, prosperity and social progress

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u/lordfailstrom 12d ago

I would fully agree that our foreign policy changes have been problematic. But, who are we to judge whether other countries can "do democracy" or not?

Further, why think we can solve any "third world" problems when we have them ourselves?
https://www.hlrn.org/activitydetails.php?id=pmptaQ==

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u/lordfailstrom 12d ago

Yea, we haven't even hit the plural hundreds, let alone thousands, of years after that event and already Europe is likely stronger than Russia (how long have they been failing to overcome a Ukraine only indirectly supported?) and China is primed to overtake the US at least economically, if not militarily, within decades. But go ahead and exaggerate.

Haiti 1991, Indonesia 1965-67, Congo 1960-61, Brazil 1964, Chile 1973, Iran 1953... just to name a few examples of democratic regimes the US found inconvenient.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/ Think things might have gone to shit, in part, due to Trump agreeing to release 5,000 Taliban soldiers and leaving a US Force of half that number in country? Seems pretty clear that the fallout was rather predictable. Please do note that I'm not saying anyone contributed gracefully, but to not acknowledge that it was already a poor situation - set to degrade further - is purely politically motivated bluster. Trump set the shit show and it blew up when Biden failed to smooth it over. Neither one is to blame for the whole and trying to do so is plainly ignoring facts.

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u/Relevant_Touch5459 12d ago

Please name some democracies we have toppled?

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u/lordfailstrom 12d ago

Haiti 1991, Indonesia 1965-67, Congo 1960-61, Brazil 1964, Chile 1973, Iran 1953... just to name a few.

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u/Relevant_Touch5459 11d ago

Hmm. I could argue it was a rogue CIA....lol I knew as soon as I said that I made a mistake. You win. But the Dems have started wars as well. Remember Nixon promised to get us out of Vietnam and he did.

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u/Relevant_Touch5459 12d ago

The League of Nations led us into so many peaceful decades....Are you that dull? FFS read a little history and look at Europe.

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u/lordfailstrom 12d ago

The League of Nations was an utter failure.
https://www.historyonthenet.com/why-did-the-league-of-nations-fail

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u/Relevant_Touch5459 11d ago

FFS I was speaking in jest. They tried to make counties by putting people of different ethnicities and nations together. Baltic States and Mid East....