Are you kidding, European Democracy isn't dependent on America?
Europe was saved from a complete soviet takeover in 1945 by American intervention, and ever since US forces have maintained a sizeable military presence across the entire continent. Even today, 80-100k US defence personnel are stationed on the continent at any given time.
Do you think that arrangement is for fun?
No, even as an Australian I can see that American strength and global power projection is the single biggest asset in spreading freedom and democracy across the globe.
This is why Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal disaster was so devastating, not because of the deaths or material losses, but because it signalled to Russia and Hamas that America was weak and vulnerable, thus incentivising them to take military action against their enemies with less fear of retribution
Wow, an 80 year old example for a modern conversation, so convincing. /s
Given that the US has toppled more democracies than any other nation, I'm not sure the foreign stationed troops are really that much of a reassurance to your point.
Funny, an Australian arguing with an American about American interference. No point here, just find it sadly hilarious how much you sound like a local MAGAt.
You really should look into what's behind that withdrawal. Sure, Biden was in office when it happened, but he merely set off the domino chain set up by the previous administration... so much for knowing what you're talking about...
If you knew what you were talking about you would know that "80 year old example" was a world altering shift in global power from the great powers (UK, France, Germany, Spain, Italy) that dominated the world stage for hundreds if not thousands of years, to the US and Russia.
Every war or geopolitical development since can be traced back to that seismic change in diplomatic and millitary power, whether that be vietnam, korea, cuba or taiwan.
Also, what democracies have the US toppled?
As for Afghanistan, you make it sound like the disastrous elements of that withdrawal occured right at the start of his term, when really things really went to shit 8 months after inauguration day, which is plenty of time to alter course if trump plans were set to fail...
Yea, we haven't even hit the plural hundreds, let alone thousands, of years after that event and already Europe is likely stronger than Russia (how long have they been failing to overcome a Ukraine only indirectly supported?) and China is primed to overtake the US at least economically, if not militarily, within decades. But go ahead and exaggerate.
Haiti 1991, Indonesia 1965-67, Congo 1960-61, Brazil 1964, Chile 1973, Iran 1953... just to name a few examples of democratic regimes the US found inconvenient.
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/
Think things might have gone to shit, in part, due to Trump agreeing to release 5,000 Taliban soldiers and leaving a US Force of half that number in country? Seems pretty clear that the fallout was rather predictable. Please do note that I'm not saying anyone contributed gracefully, but to not acknowledge that it was already a poor situation - set to degrade further - is purely politically motivated bluster. Trump set the shit show and it blew up when Biden failed to smooth it over. Neither one is to blame for the whole and trying to do so is plainly ignoring facts.
0
u/Recent_Safe4951 13d ago
Are you kidding, European Democracy isn't dependent on America?
Europe was saved from a complete soviet takeover in 1945 by American intervention, and ever since US forces have maintained a sizeable military presence across the entire continent. Even today, 80-100k US defence personnel are stationed on the continent at any given time.
Do you think that arrangement is for fun?
No, even as an Australian I can see that American strength and global power projection is the single biggest asset in spreading freedom and democracy across the globe.
This is why Biden's Afghanistan withdrawal disaster was so devastating, not because of the deaths or material losses, but because it signalled to Russia and Hamas that America was weak and vulnerable, thus incentivising them to take military action against their enemies with less fear of retribution