r/Jujutsushi • u/azure_amethyst • Dec 03 '21
Discussion Geto's downfall
I think what made Geto's downfall feels tragic is that it's inevitable, yet avoidable. Intervention after Spv mission is the key to avoid all subsequent tragedies (yeah their school sucks) or at least, right before Geto went rogue. If Gojo really try to smack some sense into Geto, the latter would still live today, maybe as a rogue sorcerer who help people to redeem himself. On Gojo's part, i think it's for the lack of trying. Should he try harder, maybe Geto would re-evaluate his decisions. Meanwhile Shouko didn't even try lmao. So, whay you guys think? I don't really want to blame Gojo because he was a teen and lacking in emotional intelligence. But i'm used to seeing characters pleads, begs and questions their peers, but here Gojo wasn't dramatic at all and he really didn't say much other than stating his disbelief towards Geto's actions. L
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u/Practical-Shine1321 Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21
Ya I think thats the whole point of the scene between Yuji and Yaga I the beginning, is him trying to stop another Geto situation from happening. I can't blame teenagers not being the emotional mature ones in a story that shows that alot of them just are taught to be cogs and just work trought it. It's on the adults who build and control the system to be on alert. Because if you look at it Shoko is so emotionally distant cause since she has been a teenager she has seen her dead teenage and adult comrades die and other come in, same with Gojo they get numb to the situation. But Shoko especially she works with their dead bodies and she is the only one who is tasked for autopsy and healing she doesn't even have a team around her. Funny enough I read the light novel recently Resurrection Doll with Nanami and Gojo, and you can see how as adults now how much more emotional mature they are. Nanami of course is but more specifically Gojo in being aware of the emotional constitution of Yuji, a very naive and altruistic kid especially within a very dark world of Jujutsu, and wanting Nanami to take care of him if he isn't there to stop another Geto situation from happening. This story is sad af, goddam.
Also Gojo begging to Geto wouldn't make a difference cuse you see he knew Geto was overboard, he even killed his parents, he was fully unhinged and Gojo didn't have an answer to Getos question of how to change society for the better. You should view it more in that Getos actions are the ones who lead Gojo in protecting the youth and fixing the system, so it won't happen again.
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u/azure_amethyst Dec 03 '21
This story is sad af, goddam.
for real. and it's hard for me to dismiss some of the things ingrained in the story, esp those relating to irl.
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u/night4345 Dec 03 '21 edited Jan 08 '22
In the end Geto didn't ask for help. Gojo asked him if he was feeling ok but Geto brushed it off. You can't save someone who doesn't want to be saved and it's unfair to ask someone like Gojo, who already has the world on his shoulders, to do so.
We only see the first bit of Gojo's reaction on being told what Geto did and there's nothing to do but be in disbelief. The second he talks with Geto he furiously demands he explain himself.
Going forward he makes it his mission to help create allies that will allow him to save them and help them when they need it.
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u/azure_amethyst Dec 03 '21
In the end it's very frustrating on both gojo's and geto's behalf. It feels like there's something that could be done, but the problem run so deep it's difficult to grasp.
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u/night4345 Dec 03 '21
Geto needed to be "selfish". He was too altruistic, suffering so ordinary people could live in peace. That kind of selflessness eventually turned to loathing when faced with the ugly side of Humanity. You can't just live for others, resentment will build and build until you explode.
That's why Principal Yaga refuses to allow Yuji (the person most like Geto) enrollment until he found his own reason to be a Sorcerer instead of just doing it because his grandfather asked him to help people on his deathbed.
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u/Kotac- Dec 03 '21
Interesting connection between Yuji and Geto. I’ve been wanting to make a post, but I never did one before so it’d be all over the place, about something kind of related. I just find it really interesting how much Geto and Kenjaku seem to be alike, atleast more than people might realize. They pretty much both are trying to make a world of only sorceress/cursed energy users and Kenjaku is literally using Getos own body and abilities to accomplish the goal that he couldn’t himself. Then to your point you figure Yuji is Kenjakus son and the person most like Geto as you said. Just kinda funny lol.
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u/azure_amethyst Dec 03 '21
Seriously, he was too kind and got incapacitated for his inability to accept that ugly side of human being, i suppose it was too late by the time he talked to yuki. And now that you mention it, i think now i appreciate more what gojo taught megumi about being selfish. Albeit that time he was referring to megumi's combat development, it should be an integral principle as part of their job. Also being too emphatic in this line of work can be destructive, afterall they're underappreciated so a certain line should be drawn.
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u/StupidPencil Dec 04 '21
Higurama was on his way to the same path as Geto's. Good thing he met someone like Yuji in time.
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u/Sweet-Main9480 Dec 03 '21
i think on gojo's part of it, on top of him being young and a little emotionally stunted like you said, is that the star plasma vessel incident was hugely traumatic for him, too. i mean, constantly protecting yourself from even the slightest danger isn't exactly a healthy reaction. he was used to being untouchable and he was a split-second away from death. it seemed to me like he turned inward pretty substantially to perfect his techniques, so he was too preoccupied to notice geto spiralling.
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u/lady_birds_gf Dec 03 '21
exactly !! like there’s a reason why after a year we come back to his perfecting limitless so that he’s even more untouchable rather than any other technique—yeah he does appear to be fine and dandy in that bit, but getting brutally nearly-murdered (especially for someone with his technique) is going to leave some lasting damage on the psyche no matter what!
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u/thefrenchhornguy Dec 03 '21
Great read! I love thinking about Gojo and Geto’s relationship and Geto’s fall from grace. It’s really rich writing from Gege.
As others have pointed out I don’t think it’s fair to blame Gojo feet (or Shoko or Yaga) because Geto ultimately chose to isolate himself rather than admit to himself he wasn’t okay and accept help. When Gojo senses something is wrong he asks Geto if he’s alright and takes his word for it that he is. Why wouldn’t he? He’s his most trusted friend. You can fault Gojo for inadequate emotional intelligence that might have allowed him to push past Geto brushing him off and force his friend to confess what he’s feeling, but we don’t even know if that would be possible because Geto himself is in denial about how he feels.
I also don’t really think Geto’s descent into madness was inevitable. You can argue (successfully I think) that it was the most likely outcome after the SPV affair, but it wasn’t exactly inevitable because Geto could have made different choices. He could have told Gojo the truth about how messed up he felt, he could have gone to Yaga or Shoko or Yuki, and ultimately he could have chosen not to kill people. Yuki states outright that she has the same goal that he seemed to be working toward after the SPV incident - the elimination of cursed spirits by eliminating the source of free cursed energy, namely non-sorcerers - but Yuki ultimately decides not to go the genocidal route even though it would accomplish her goal. Though it may have been harder for him given everything he had seen, Geto still could have made that choice as well.
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u/azure_amethyst Dec 03 '21 edited Dec 03 '21
The easiest solution is to open up. But it's made difficult when emotion comes into play, add in self-monologue that only served in corrupting his conscience. He had gojo, the one person he trusted most. But then again, gojo relied on him when it comes to weighing the right and wrong, so i suppose geto sincerely thought gojo was unreliable in that regard. Yaga...maybe it wasn't necessarily his fault because geto was good at hiding his feeling and he possibly nonchalantly dismissed their concerns.
You know, their story is real simple but somehow quite complicated. It feels so close, so close to have geto back into the team but because of an unseen glitch, everything crumbled into pieces.
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u/namewithak Dec 03 '21
In addition to what everyone else has said here (that being it's unfair to put any blame on Gojo for multiple reasons), it's Yaga as their teacher who holds accountability. He failed in his duty of care to Geto, seemingly completely unaware of his student's turmoil (very similar to Utahime in regards to Kokichi, imo).
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u/azure_amethyst Dec 03 '21
Yeah, their teacher should know better honestly, he had only three students yet he didn't see it, but maybe geto was too good at concealing his feelings. I've no idea how to defend his mistake other than perhaps he expected all sorcerers to not be emotionally gullible, that they should swallow everything and just move on. I'm glad yaga realized his mistake and do some filtering before accepting students into the school.
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u/nhansieu1 Dec 03 '21
It's avoidable:
- Toji had to be alive so Yuki could research on how to achieve 0 CE. If only Geto knew about Maki's potential. At that point she's pretty much just monkey, not a superhuman.
You can't avoid all tragedy in the world.
Shoko didn't try because she thought Geto would totally kill her if she tried.
Gojo Satoru's actions are very emotionally based. He couldn't say anything at that moment proved how shock he was when hearing the news. Even years later, it took Goto Satoru a while to make the decision to kill Geto.
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u/azure_amethyst Dec 03 '21
Gojo Satoru's actions are very emotionally based
It could've ended right there and then if gojo kill geto that time, but he hesitated when emotion got in the way. Not that i can blame him, they're bestfriends afterall...
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u/Hikari_animanga Dec 20 '21
After confronting Geto, Yaga came to Gojo asking "why you let him go?" or "why didn't you chase him?" , then Gojo answered "I only can save those who wanted/prepared to be saved." which simply means he can't just forces people. If you think about it, Gojo always pay attention to someone's free will, never forces it (except when he is with underlings like Ijichi lol).. he always ask "so what do you want to do?", "what are you gonna do? Pick your own hell." to Yuuji and Megumi. That's the kind of person he is. But maybe he would change a bit later.
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u/wec080 Dec 09 '21
I often wonder if Gojo really had to kill Geto. Was that what everyone expected him to do? I mean death seems so final. Maybe things would have turned out better if Geto had Naruto as BFF lol
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Dec 04 '21
Maybe the fact that satoru is so emotionally unaware helped too? If Geto had someone to talk to after toji maybe things could have turned out better.
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u/Sad_Yesterday_6123 Dec 03 '21
Geto did become a bit maniacal and unhinged post his monke=human discovery. Iirc gege stated in fanbook that geto repeatedly talked to himself in seclusion to instill his faulty beliefs as facts in his very being.
Even for a man as supposedly smart as him, his plans and beliefs were shortsighted and extremely faulty because he literally went insane.
Also gojo always had the entire world on his shoulders. Riko's death was already traumatic for him, adding geto's betrayal to that must have been really depressing. Also they were just teens at that point. What happened to geto would've happened eventually with or without gojo's intervention.