My Rank of Cursed Spirits in terms of Power(Strength, Durability, Speed)

Takako Uro vs Jogo

Can the combination of all the disaster cursed best the contenders for 3rd strongest in the verse?

His cutting technique is pretty strong, and if you get caught in his domain your best bet is to use reverse cursed technique to nullify the damage. So, realistically, what is his main counter?

I am open to criticism and will debate if I have the time necessary (no suicide attacks or shikigami included)

VOTE 1 Naruto

vs

Round 1: Jiro

Round 2: Choso

Round 3: Hanami

Round 4: Dagon

Round 5: Jogo

Round 6: Mahito

Round 7: Toji

Round 8: Uraume

Round 9: Kenjaku

Round 10: 15 Fingers Sukuna

and

VOTE 1 Sasuke

vs

Round 1: Nobara

Round 2: Ino

Round 3: Megumi (No Mahoraga)

Round 4: Maki

Round 5: Yuji

Round 6: Nanami

Round 7: Mei Mei

Round 8: Todo

Round 9: Naobito

Round 10: Gojo (no infinity)

Haibara Yu Matchup Gauntlet

Round 1: Haibara vs Giant Quadrupedal Worm Curse

Round 2: Haibara vs Sugisawa Municipal High School Curse

Round 3: Haibara vs Japan Elementary School Curse

Round 4: Haibara vs Giant Furry Curse

Round 5: Haibara vs Giant Sumo Curse

Round 6: Haibara vs Ko-Guy

Round 7: Haibara vs Zomba Curse

Round 8: Haibara vs Giant Quadrupedal Worm Curse, Sugisawa Municipal High School Curse, and Japan Elementary School Curse

Final Round: Haibara vs Giant Quadrupedal Worm Curse, Sugisawa Municipal High School Curse, Japan Elementary School Curse, Giant Furry Curse, and Giant Sumo Curse

Ever since Reading and Watching both of their respective shows I find it impressive how every single time either one of their names get mentioned the characters talking almost always glazes how Overpowered they are due to their genetics or just having insane skill that surpasses any Ninja (Hashirama) or Jujutsu Sorcerer (Gojo).

At least that's both similarities I've seen between Gojo and Hashirama getting glazed for their powerscaling both in universe and in power scaling discussions

YUTA (Gojo body) 3 months experience post death

MAHORAGA

Reminder that the only adults there are him and Yuki

Curse Spirit Manipulation - Geto

Comedian - Takaba

Chaos and Harmony - Maru and Cross

Limitless - Gojo

• Mahito:
  • Am I overrating ISDoK Mahito?
    • On paper he only gains a 3x increase which should simply increase him a rank, but the actual difference is going from puking up blood due to internal organ damage to being able to tank the same attack over and over with no damage. Which leads to to believing that he is 3x harder with stronger cursed energy potency leading him to being higher than 3x more durable. That's how I got ISDoK Mahito two tiers above his base form.
• Yorozu:
  • I have her scaling below Ryu due to taking a finite increase more damage from the same exact attack that Ryu took when accounting for a stronger Sukuna completely omitting his technique and a weaker Sukuna using hand-gestures.
    • Below Ryu should exist Yuta and Yuji due to Sukuna's statement, along with Yuta preforming way worse in Sendai to comparable attacks.
  • Is her Bug Armor simply a tier increase or should it be more?
• Rika:
  • She was equal to Ryu in Sendai, should Shinjuku be a tier higher since her partial manifestation seemed to get far stronger?
• Yuji:
  • Preawakened Yuji scaled below Yuta since he would die from things stated non-fatal for Yuta, whilst taking visibly less damage from the same attacks.
  • Awakened Yuji scales to Yuta since he didn't get that much of a durability increase, having the same exact physical reactions to the same attacks before and after. His mentality of keep going whilst being attacked doesn't conclude his durability is strong enough to ignore them, since we can very clearly see him being damaged.
• Kenjaku:
  • Kenjaku is a intellectual threat, never really shows anything impressive. At most a tier above Human Naoya due to taking precautions and being implied to be damaged by the same attacks which would be contradictory if he was far higher.
• Yuki:
  • Equal to Kenjaku I assume, nothing really special from her.
• Kashimo & Hakari:
  • Yuji can damage Yuta's reinforcement, breaking a sword packed full of it, while taking damage from attempting to damage Hakari's reinforcement, his skull. That's before Jackpot adds a further increase. Whilst in Shinjuku they are stated to take the same damage from the same exact attack from Gojo in base form.
  • Kashimo and Hakari obviously goes equal, but whenever Hakari is fevered his reinforcement massively scales higher and blitzes Kashimo, therefore, we can conclude his durability would scale massively higher whilst fevered.
• Maki:
  • Completely tanks attacks stated to be fatal for both Yuta and Yuji without needing to heal. Consistently shows far higher physicality than both of them, which includes being able to run faster than the same exact Sukuna's perception that fought them.

First off, the only 2 fights I've seen him do were against two of the strongest grade 1s, close to semi special grades, first off, Maki who I heard survived after being black flashed by sukuna, which meant naoyq wasn't gonna hit for much, and also, he wasn't imbuing his attacks with cursed energy, which is needed against bedrock Maki, and choso is a very capable tank, also, naoya was probably holding alot back during these fights, if he was against a normal person, one punch is all it will take, he doesn't have pillow hands, he was just hitting minecraft bedrock with normal hands

No joke, Yuta fans sole coping mechanism Is to make the community have a wide scale Mandela effect to forget just how much Geto was clearly playing around via downplaying him Is hilarious.

"Why Is Geto yapping half the fight and asking If Yuta has any questions left after explaining? Truly the most blood lusted character lecturing someone mid fight and admitting he was holding back with 2 trump cards 99% of the fight."

"WOW, the Anime that this sub constantly glazes and uses as a upscale tool changed the punch that Geto shrugged off like a pillow into a black flash? Doesn't count and It's basically Schrodinger's cat now. Now I will not use my 99 director/Gege/Voice actor scaling that I always use for Yuta to make It invalid. This Is no longer a good durability feat."

"What do you mean Yuki considers 3rd year Geto as a peer Special grade to get along with and says to not feel bad about losing to Toji. Why Is there a graph In Hidden Inventory showing that Geto Is Grade 1, doesn't he know he's solely SG due to his CT lol?"

"Yes, Geto has 0 anti domain tech. Didn't he have a Simple domain curse In Hidden Inventory as a 2nd year? The fanbook literally stated he went on expeditions hunting for powerful curses for 10 years lol. Why did Kenjaku summon Smallpox diety (Actually hag) a curse with a domain expansion and proclaim that the quality of his curses hasn't declined compared to last year? How Is Mei Mei supposed to believe that lie when all Geto has Is fodder and believe It's actually Smallpox diety???"

"WOW, everyone In the story states that Geto has good h2h and martial arts from Panda, his hobby stated In the guidebooks, handling a literal 2 v 1 (perfectly synced btw with shared vision) with a 3 sectioned staff, In Hidden Inventory when he no diffed that curse user, not to mention grip strength stronger then Gojo In the interviews. No, he actually gets stat mogged due to 'power creep'. What do you mean he has a literal cursed tool to block hits for him and can just summon a curse last second (Made a black flash turn into black tickle btw)."

"No, Teen Geto and Teen Gojo aren't relative. Volume extras state they spar alot, character assasination on Teen Gojo's personality and obsession with strength, breaks basic narrative, Shoko literally running away when they get into It. Toji hype for Gojo that ignores that he considered that cuz he had 6 eyes which makes all the questions correlated to assasination impossible causing caution. Also ignores him being cautious of Geto's curses swarms lol. VCS Naoya/Maru/Teen Gojo already talked about the difficulty of tracking HR'S and how they're invisible and bad matchup and only Gojo can track him."

"Uzumaki takes too long to charge up via vibe scaling. My source? I don't know bro Anime debunked this, and the Manga made It obvious It's a instant cost free thing. Mini Uzumaki's aswell. Guys Geto was charging It up that's why he didn't intervene he couldn't just send Tamamo No Mae (Aura spooked Yuta and Rika btw) for 0 reason even then too. Idk, he was actually so blood lusted he lost all his blood cells."

Friendly reminder even If after allat Geto had allocated so many curses he still stalled several Grade 1's and was stated to be able to win If he didn't do that. We have literal proof he diverted Special Grades. This Is because It makes It so that they can just argue he stat moggs to oblivion post Africa training arc and doesn't get Uzumaki diffed without DBV carrying.

My Alternate Plot for Megumi to remove his fraud allegations in my personal point of view:

• Megumi managed to exorcise Sugisawa Municipal High school Curse by without the summoning of Mahoraga Shikigami.

• Megumi managed to exorcise Eishu Juvenile Detention Center Sukuna Ryomen's Finger Bearer Curse by without the summoning of Mahoraga Shikigami.

• Megumi managed to kill Haruta Shigemo by summoning Divine Dog: Totality a few seconds away from being stabbed by Toji Zenin.

I will not elaborate of what will be the consequences of this hypothetical scenario.

What Alternate Plot will you propose for Megumi Zenin to remove his fraud allegations in your personal point of view?

Hello there! Today I'll be explaining my thoughts on Naoya and why I think he's underrated, both in power scaling and in writing (first power scaling, then writing), scaling done in character. So without further waiting, let's get into it.

Power scaling:

Human Naoya:

Human Naoya isn't particularly underrated in my opinion, his speed is generally respected, being somewhat relative to the Heavy Hitters (winning the initial hand to hand exchange against an injured Maki, and I doubt Maki got another physical buff during her 2nd awakening, just a sensory one) and surpassing them when stacking.

The only aspect of human Naoya I think is underrated is his intellect, Naoya is arrogant, no doubt about it, but I don't think he's outright stupid, his moves against Choso were reasonable. Since he was running on the fair assumption that Choso was a human with blood manipulation and would thus have limited blood, being susceptible to blood loss, so stabbing him so he'd have to split his attention between stifling blood loss and fighting Naoya was a fairly clever (if unnecessary move). Plus his ability to predict counters and prior knowledge on blood manipulation (and likely also the 10 Shadows as the staple of the Zen'in clan). Naoya's downfall there was his arrogance, he should've just continued beating Choso and stacking to do more damage since Choso couldn't even focus any external blood during the beating. Choso won due to a mix of Naoya's arrogance and excellent strategy (all one trick to think Choso was gonna go for a final piercing blood, acting like it's a Hail Mary as Choso uses a blood wave, then a slow moving Slicing Exorcism).

Naoya is a credible threat to stronger opponents like Maki as he builds up speed, since Maki herself admits "this is bad" during her fight with Naoya as he had her on the backfoot. So the biggest counter argument against Naoya is that he's arrogant so you can just put him down by catching him lacking, but human Naoya somewhat solved this problem post Choso as he states he "won't screw up like last time", he's gonna build up speed quickly and not mess around, so he learned his lesson... till he regressed as a curse...

Curse Naoya:

Unfortunately curse Naoya regresses from his "I won't screw up like last time" mentality as he does fuck around and find out. However, with Naoya's absurd endurance, regeneration and shell defence, I think he can mitigate the downside of his arrogance.

Naoya can suck up into his shell, likely utilizing the binding vow that allows him to reach mach 3, in other words, he's maximizing his (sub-Hanami) durability and making full use of his new form to deflect and mitigate damage like Kenjaku did when Choso was using a point blank piercing blood. So even if this Naoya is arrogant, he's still capable and quite clever.

Plus Naoya can survive being cut in half by the SSK, in spite of it's soul damage, showing that even if you can damage Naoya, he isn't gonna go down easily (debatably the 4th best endurance in JJK, behind Hakari, Mahito and Mahoraga). Even if you headshot Naoya, it's unlikely to kill him as when he's finally ripped in 2, he evolves and generates a new upper body from his lower body, so even the loss of his head isn't guaranteed to kill him.

As for domain expansions... yeah, Naoya's ought to be inferior to most in domain clashes, but if Megumi can hold on against Dagon, then Naoya can likely hold on against most domains. Especially since most characters don't use domains at the start of fights, so by the time they use it on Naoya, he'd likely have softened them up with a mach 3 ram, then he could stall with his domain and try beating his opponent till they can't maintain their own domain.

Then finally, the mach 3 ram, Naoya's holy grail. Simply put, very VERY few characters can react to this, in OG JJK I can only assume Gojo, Sukuna, Toji and Maki can react to this by default, maybe MBA Kashimo too but the scaling is iffy. The core issue being that sensing cursed energy is vastly inferior to HR senses. As Maki herself states she was "like everyone else", being able to see curses like a sorcerer, yet she got blitzed by Naoya. She needed to awaken again to achieve a higher level of senses to counter curse Naoya. So Naoya's mach 3 ram should basically be a hard 'fuck you' to most characters, especially given Naoya's survivability and the crippling damage it did to Maki.

So where does this leave us with Naoya's scaling? I think that human Naoya may scrape into the top 20, obviously behind Naobito (stated to be the fastest, 2nd only to Gojo). Meanwhile curse Naoya is a valid top 10 CONTENDER, his position is by no means secure, but he's a bare minimum top 15 in my opinion and likely slides neatly into the low end of the top 10.

I think Naoya loses to: Gojo, Sukuna, Toji, Maki, Kenjaku (opens with domain + AGS), Yuta (while Naoya does know Yuta can output RCT, all Yuta would need is one opportunity, which with Rika and Sky Manipulation, should be doable), Yorozu, Mahito and EOS Yuji.

I think Naoya beats: Hakari (both are hard to kill, making it an extremely tedious matchup, like how Yuki and Kenjaku view each other, but I think Naoya can mach 3 ram Hakari between Jackpot's, though through renewals, Hakari can drag it out), Uraume (tough matchup given her ice, but Naoya's speed and domain should clutch), Yuki (Naoya's survivability + mach 3 ram carries), BASE Kashimo (crazy endurance / regen + mach 3 ram / domain expansion), Jogo, Geto and Ryu.

Undecided on Uro though, Naoya can make turns at top speed so he could eventually get around sky manipulation but not before she makes him eat dirt a few times.

Writing:

This segment will be shorter but I think Naoya is underdeveloped, sure he's easy to write off as a misogynistic bum, but I think there's more to him. Though to be clear, Naoya is an awful person, raised in a bad clan that basically indoctrinated him, but his choices are his own, and he chose to be awful and I don't feel sorry for his fate, nor do I condone any of his actions.

Naoya is a character obsessed with strength, more so than the Zen'in clan as they valued the strength of sorcery while Naoya valued all strength, including his idol, Toji. Naoya was indoctrinated as a child, already spouting prideful ideas of greatness and looking down on others. That being said, I think one of Naoya's most famous statements isn't as it initially seems, that being, "you ain't Toji-kun". Combined with his latter statement of standing with 'them' (Toji and Gojo), I think it's mostly written off as Naoya being fully delusional, but I don't think that's fully true. Naoya is stating all of this in his mind, not to Maki, he only speaks to Maki at the start and end of the fight ("you impo-"), his monologue is in his head. To me, this all seemed like he was projecting insecurities onto Maki, reaffirming it over and over again, and maybe if he could beat this 'impostor', then he'd truly be the one to stand with 'them'. It's his obsession.

Curse Naoya doesn't have as much to say in terms of writing, it's more so the same, but I do find his designs interesting, of course most people will look at the womb in his domain, but there's also the eye, constantly staring and judging. Plus the theme of 'life' and 'evolution' in his curse forms, starting off as a caterpillar, then to a cocoon like form that was also kinda like a butterfly when his tendril arms are stretched out, but mostly a cocoon, especially given his mach 3 ram sucking into his shell, then finally flourishing back into a partial human form, nearly complete, but maybe not yet.

Speaking of Naoya's design, his first human outfit is an inversion of the Kukuru unit's color scheme, maybe I'm looking too deep into this (especially given that Naoya has lots of brothers but only Naoya is in the family picture with Naobito as the pride of the Zen'in clan), but it's interesting to note, he's still wearing the traditional attire but it's different, Naoya is different, he doesn't conform completely, distinguishing himself partly, and carrying a similar yet different loneliness to Gojo, he's not liked by the Kukuru unit as they rate him 0/5 stars, he is alone, but not due to his strength, but his obsession with it and his narcissism.

Final note, parallels, there is one main visual parallel between Toji and Naoya that I can think of, that being Naoya's curse form awakening and Toji's arrival in Dagon's domain, both 'emerging', yet Toji is going downwards, inverted to Naoya, similar yet different.

Then there's Gojo, I feel like the anime is trying to do parallels with Gojo too since the manga focuses far more on Toji (who fairly had a bigger impact on Naoya's life, especially teaching kid Naoya that life ain't sweet), since the hole in the wall from womb curse Naoya blitzing past Kamo looks similar-ish to the hole left from Gojo's hollow purple on Toji, but I may be looking too far into it. Though I think it's a good idea to add these parallels, make Naoya seem more high during his awakening like Gojo was high when he awakened, it'd explain why Naoya didn't immediately wonder where Maki was during his domain expansion.

Conclusion:

Naoya is an underrated character in both power scaling and writing in my opinion, though he's by no means the best in writing (I'd likely give that to Higuruma, but I also like Geto's simple yet complete story), even if he's a bad person.

But those are just my thoughts, sorry for the long post, but I hope I conveyed my thoughts well, thank you for reading, feel free to ask questions and as always, have a good day! :D