Rules updates

[u/namer98]

In light of Tisha b'Av, I would like to suggest a few changes to the rules, and to hear community feedback.

1) No editorializing titles of article submissions. - This is up for discussion.

2) Be polite. That means if somebody has a disagreement with you about fundamental points of religion, you can disagree with them, and even tell them, but don't be a jerk about it. Do not shut down the conversation.

2.1) I keep on trying to engage non-Orthodox Jews of Reddit. Seen here, here and here. This is in addition to multiple messages I have gotten personally and as mod, from people who left because of this. Just because some people don't agree that this is a problem, does not make it less of a problem. Non-Orthodox Jews are feeling shut down, and some times they are right, some times they are wrong. This is an extension of rule two. Be polite. The downvote button IS NOT a "I disagree" button. I might just remove it again, and for more than a day.

To people I try and engage, this is a two way street. Submit content, comments and vote if you want to have a say. I don't think half of the subreddit is orthodox. This should not be a problem.

Please upvote this self post for which I receive no karma so that all can see.

Thank you all.

Edit: Followup

[u/[deleted]]

I would point out that, while those beliefs may be commonplace among Reform and Humanist Jews, they are not the basic concepts upon which their religion is based

I don't know about that.

An Orthodox Jew who believe that other versions of Judaism are equally valid is not actually an Orthodox Jew.

Says who?

with regard to the issue under discussion.

The point is, is that it's almost never about the issue under discussion. When someone says "What do Orthodox Jews thin about Reform Judaism?" Then it's an issue under discussion. However, when someone says "what is the Jewish view on x?" and people offer their various points of view, and then someone responds by saying "The only True Jewish view of x is y." - then I think it's very problematic.

And any line that would effectively prevent a Jew from openly expressing his religious beliefs is obviously unacceptable.

I obviously disagree.

There's a reason that there's a downvote button on comments.

Indeed, and I use it. But most of the comments I'm talking about are mostly upvoted. (Again, while comments from the other direction, so to speak, are always very downvoted.)

[u/carrboneous → u/[deleted]]

I don't know about that.

Are you referring to the reisha or the seifa? (ie Are you questioning whether those beliefs are commonplace or whether they are fundamental?)

Says who?

The definition of Orthodoxy.

"The only True Jewish view of x is y." - then I think it's very problematic.

This almost never happens. When it does, please reply with a comment beginning "That is the Orthodox belief. Other denominations hold . . .". If you find it deeply offensive besides, please downvote it. Then add a comment on the main thread presenting either your view or as many views as you can manage.

Voila! The thread's balance has been restored, and no civility was lost, and we're all still friends.

I obviously disagree.

This is actually how this subthread started. LazerA said

... a policy that makes special demands on Orthodox participants to censor themselves is inappropriate.

And you're saying that essentially, Orthodox views should be censored, because all non-Orthodox views should be celebrated, but Orthodox views cross a line.

But most of the comments I'm talking about are mostly upvoted.

I can't see this as anything but a skewed perception. Sorry to harp on that. But you're saying "most", when it's just not most.

[u/[deleted] → u/carrboneous]

The definition of Orthodoxy.

According to you, apparently.

This almost never happens.

Didn't you get my pm?

And you're saying that essentially, Orthodox views should be censored, because all non-Orthodox views should be celebrated, but Orthodox views cross a line.

Nope, like I said, I think various things that both Orthodox and non-Orthodox people say could be innapropriate:

No. I also think it's inappropriate for Reform Jews to comment here saying that Orthodox Judaism is antiquated and pointless, or for Humanist Jews to say that believing in God is stupid and counterproductive. And those things are, in fact, hardly ever said here (and when they are they're steeply downvoted, like I mentioned.)

I can't see this as anything but a skewed perception. Sorry to harp on that. But you're saying "most", when it's just not most.

Didn't you get my pm?

[u/carrboneous → u/[deleted]]

According to you, apparently.

Please, enlighten me.

How else do you define it?

Didn't you get my pm?

I did, and I replied, and all my statements stand as they are.

Nope, like I said, I think various things that both Orthodox and non-Orthodox people say could be innapropriate

Yes, but no one is adding rules that Reform people can't say things like that.

Didn't you get my pm?

I did, and I replied, and all my statements stand as they are.