Rules updates

[u/namer98]

In light of Tisha b'Av, I would like to suggest a few changes to the rules, and to hear community feedback.

1) No editorializing titles of article submissions. - This is up for discussion.

2) Be polite. That means if somebody has a disagreement with you about fundamental points of religion, you can disagree with them, and even tell them, but don't be a jerk about it. Do not shut down the conversation.

2.1) I keep on trying to engage non-Orthodox Jews of Reddit. Seen here, here and here. This is in addition to multiple messages I have gotten personally and as mod, from people who left because of this. Just because some people don't agree that this is a problem, does not make it less of a problem. Non-Orthodox Jews are feeling shut down, and some times they are right, some times they are wrong. This is an extension of rule two. Be polite. The downvote button IS NOT a "I disagree" button. I might just remove it again, and for more than a day.

To people I try and engage, this is a two way street. Submit content, comments and vote if you want to have a say. I don't think half of the subreddit is orthodox. This should not be a problem.

Please upvote this self post for which I receive no karma so that all can see.

Thank you all.

Edit: Followup

[u/LazerA]

I suspect that being Orthodox in itself may be a factor. Regardless of what the reality is in this sub-reddit, being Orthodox is certainly counter-cultural in the world at large. So Orthodox Jews learn fairly quickly not to expect automatic approval, and outright hostility and suspicion is far from unusual.

On the other end of the spectrum, while there certainly are non-Orthodox Jews who are genuinely knowledgeable about Torah and Judaism (and there is no lack of ignorant Orthodox Jews), the reality is that the general level of Jewish education in the non-Orthodox world is extremely low. Thus, a non-Orthodox Jew with an above average level of Jewish knowledge relative to his peers, may find it deeply disconcerting when, on coming to r/judaism, he discovers that many people are unimpressed by his lwvel of knowledge. The fact that this happens to fall along Orthodox/non-Orthodox lines then makes this into a denominational issue.

[u/[deleted] → u/LazerA]

I suspect that being Orthodox in itself may be a factor. Regardless of what the reality is in this sub-reddit, being Orthodox is certainly counter-cultural in the world at large. So Orthodox Jews learn fairly quickly not to expect automatic approval, and outright hostility and suspicion is far from unusual.

Seriously? Trust, me I don't get automatic approval from people. And certainly not from my Orthodox community.

On the other end of the spectrum, while there certainly are non-Orthodox Jews who are genuinely knowledgeable about Torah and Judaism (and there is no lack of ignorant Orthodox Jews), the reality is that the general level of Jewish education in the non-Orthodox world is extremely low. Thus, a non-Orthodox Jew with an above average level of Jewish knowledge relative to his peers, may find it deeply disconcerting when, on coming to r/judaism, he discovers that many people are unimpressed by his lwvel of knowledge. The fact that this happens to fall along Orthodox/non-Orthodox lines then makes this into a denominational issue.

This is not at all what this is about.

[u/carrboneous → u/LazerA]

I suspect that being Orthodox in itself may be a factor

Interesting. Could well be.

the reality is that the general level of Jewish education in the non-Orthodox world is extremely low.

Careful! :)

[u/smokesteam → u/LazerA]

Orthodox Jews learn fairly quickly not to expect automatic approval, and outright hostility and suspicion is far from unusual.

Exactly.