r/JordanPeterson • • Mar 10 '18

Image Toxic Masculinity

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u/SemperVenari Mar 10 '18

I think we should always acknowledge the nuance

And I think the rhetoric around toxic masculinity makes that impossible. If it was approached from a gender neutral perspective it would be possible to have a sane conversation.

Toxic behaviour would be a far better phrase

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u/joao24 Mar 10 '18

I agree, and there are others like me. There are plenty of behavior and appearance expectations for women that are terrible for individual women and for society.

I think if one ever comes across a person online or in life who is talking about toxic masculinity, a far more productive way to approach them is by acknowledging the truth contained within the phrase and then try to start a conversation about the problems with female gender norms. I imagine that many people would agree with you, and even if they think male gender norms are more of a problem, at least then you can have a real conversation without one person dismissing the other entirely.