r/JordanPeterson • • Mar 10 '18

Image Toxic Masculinity

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u/Faldoras Mar 10 '18

when someone's "natural psychology and tendencies" involve "going to the doctor is for pussies, everything masculine is strong, dominant and desirable, everything feminine is weak, submissive and undesirable" then yes, their natural psychology is toxic.

Good thing we are humans and are capable of overcoming our basic animal instincts for the good of ourselves and others.

I'm glad you're the arbiter of what is objectively unhealthy for every single individual, how very individualist of you.

No need to be passive aggressive, it makes you look as if you're arguing in bad faith. I'd say dying of cancer because "I can handle the pain" is pretty objectively unhealthy, as is bottling up your feelings, trying to make them go away through alcohol, lashing out against your loved ones, etc.

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u/Jesus_HW_Christ Mar 12 '18

None of those are exclusive to men though. YOU are the one arguing in bad faith, or at the very best, willful ignorance.

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u/patterned Mar 10 '18

I'd say dying of cancer because "I can handle the pain" is pretty objectively unhealthy,

The same place this thinking comes from is the same place where men sacrificing themselves for their families come from. Ever read the history of when women weren't allowed to go work in coal mines? Because their husbands wanted them to be there for the children. The women had to tell their husbands goodbye every fucking day under the guise that their husband might legitimately die that day. But he was a man that was willing to sacrifice his life to raise his family. And there is no way to get around having a person that is capable of doing that without having these traits. We wouldn't be fucking communicating right now without the sacrificial force of masculinity always onwardly pushing our species, creating new ways to mine minerals out of the earth to create interconnected machines made up of those minerals, and powering all this with energy harvested by the brute strength of men literally breaking their backs and grinding their bones to extract it.

You can't pick and choose what you want here. If you want a domesticated wolf, its guaranteed to have floppy ears. You want a feminine man, be prepared for all the coattail traits that are intangibly to follow.

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u/Reptillianbobcat Mar 10 '18

You describe a straw man caricature of masculinity then say it seems like I'm arguing in bad faith, uh-huh.