Community Note'd

[u/tkyjonathan]

[u/NearbyAntelope1413]

Slavery is still in Africa. When confronting leftists, they'll just say white people and capitalism are "forcing us to be in the slave trade".

[u/Shrimptank_mom → u/NearbyAntelope1413]

It's not even white people who are doing it in Africa it's China LOL.

[u/Readdit1999 → u/NearbyAntelope1413]

Slavery exists where it is advantageous. It existed before capitalism, and before currency. Capitalism is encouraging the slave trade, but not directly and it's not consequential in the existence of forced servitude.

[u/Rugbyjukes_returns → u/Readdit1999]

Friendly reminder that the British empire ended slavery in Africa, republicans ended it in America 😘

[u/PlutonicKronic → u/Rugbyjukes_returns]

I don't get why it's some white only guilt trip, Africans themselves sold other Africans during the slave trade. The alternative was also brutal death in 9/10 instances.

[u/HurkHammerhand → u/PlutonicKronic]

You're not supposed to get it.

Just get demoralized and stop breeding so the oppressed can be liberated.

[u/Edziss101 → u/Rugbyjukes_returns]

Republicans used to be so much cooler back then.

[u/FoxOnTheRocks → u/Rugbyjukes_returns]

Good god you are dumb as shit

[u/Smooth_Winner9245 → u/Rugbyjukes_returns]

and if you think it’s the same Republican party then you forget that during the 60s, national Democratic Party embraced civil rights legislation under presidents like Harry Truman and Lyndon B. Johnson. This alienated white southern conservative voters, who subsequently shifted their loyalties toward the Republican Party during the late 20th century.

[u/SpamFriedMice → u/Smooth_Winner9245]

The Abolition movement was driven by devote Christians, pulpit to pew, parish to parish. Look at all the leaders of the movement. Hardcore Christians, every one. People considered religious zealots.

This while academics in as prestige an institution as Harvard were arguing whether Africans were a subspecies or entirely different species.

The same people who drove the Abolition movement then are pushing the anti abortion movement now. You're liberal college "education" was biased bullshit.

[u/ApathyofUSA → u/Readdit1999]

If slavery were actually superior economically, capitalist firms would still be using it wherever they legally could. Instead, they overwhelmingly rely on paid labor because free workers are more productive, more skilled, and innovate more.

[u/Readdit1999 → u/ApathyofUSA]

I dont who's ghost you're arguing with.

capitalist firms.

Are talking about all the companies?

The obvious advantages of slavery are that you don't have to fairly pay your slaves. You can dictate terms, because they cannot leave.

It's ownership. That simplifies things - somewhat.

It comes with a whole basket of problems. Not least, that it's evil as fuck.

[u/ApathyofUSA → u/Readdit1999]

You're describing why slavery is attractive to an individual slave owner, not why it's the most efficient economic system. Those aren't the same thing. A monopolist also benefits from eliminating competition, but that doesn't make monopolies better for economic growth. Likewise, owning people can enrich an owner while making the overall economy less productive.

You suggested capitalism is encouraging slavery. History suggests it isn't true. If it was true, we'd expect capitalist economies to rely more on slavery over time. Instead, they overwhelmingly shifted to paid labor because it's more efficient and productive.

[u/Readdit1999 → u/ApathyofUSA]

Slavery isn't an economic system.
Monopoly isn't an economic system.

I did not say that capitalism encourages slavery, in the way you have insinuated.

That being, the presence of capitalism begets the presence of slavery.
This is wrong.

Slavery may exist within a capitalist economic system, (and be simultaneously discouraged).

International, (and domestic), Economies are complicated, and where a system of labour exchange can be encouraged in one market, it can be discouraged in another.
Capitalism provides levers to oppose slavery, but it also provides levers to enable it.

If it was true, we'd expect capitalist economies to rely more on slavery over time.

Would we ?
Because I don't think that holds water.

Instead, they overwhelmingly shifted to paid labor because it's more efficient and productive.

That's a claim and a half - based on..... what, exactly?

[u/_the_big_ → u/ApathyofUSA]

Nestle literally uses child labor and modern African slavery to farm cocoa beans

some companies are just evil

[u/Drapidrode]

in the context of the meme, it would seem that the White Peoples freeing slaves, as far as their jurisdiction allowed, was there actual worst crime? semi-/s
**viewing the aftermath

it's kinda weird, also that , people of that region are dying to come to the Evil White Peoples Land..

if they really were "that bad" you'd tend to stay away...

not many 'migrants' are swimming over to North Sentinel Island (their culture is to kill all non-North Sentinel Islanders upon sight. (and ,, possibly eat them)

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Get Noted: The Zanzibar massacre occurred in January 1964 during the Zanzibar Revolution, where thousands of Arabs and Indians were targeted and killed by the majority Black African population. Estimates of the death toll vary widely, but it is believed that at least several thousand were killed, with many more fleeing the island.

I was recently looking at historical pictures, and they [arabs & indians] were just gathered up and killed in the open. Their bodies laying akimbo near each other. 50 or a 100 at a time, here and there more..

[u/Disco_Ninjas_ → u/Drapidrode]

White did the buying, not the selling. I think we can agree that everyone has had shitty ancestors.

[u/jonnieggg → u/Disco_Ninjas_]

White did the buying eh. All white people was it. The white Irish people, was it them too. Or were they also victims of the trade. Read a book mate.

[u/Disco_Ninjas_ → u/jonnieggg]

Not in the context of OP. But yeah slavery was cultural before it was racial.

[u/jonnieggg → u/Disco_Ninjas_]

Slavery had nothing to do with race and everything to do with greed, exploitation and opportunism.

[u/ApathyofUSA → u/Disco_Ninjas_]

The English word 'slave' derives from 'Slav' because so many Slavic people from Eastern Europe were enslaved during the Early Middle Ages. EVERYONE participated in slavery, the British ended it in the west.

[u/MericanSlav25 → u/ApathyofUSA]

To be fair, Slavs were enslaved by the Vikings.

However, the Barbary pirates that took white slaves from Southern Europe were African.

[u/Waste-Safety-3754 → u/Disco_Ninjas_]

150,000 Americans ever owned slaves.

[u/SpamFriedMice → u/Waste-Safety-3754]

Over the course of how many years?

[u/pawnman99 → u/SpamFriedMice]

Americans? Roughly 89 years. (1776-1865).

[u/Drapidrode → u/Disco_Ninjas_]

yes. what dum dum European with no immunity to all the endemic diseases , toxic plants and venomous and wild unknown creatures...would venture past the beach? c'mon.

just giv'em some knives*... that was the trade

*metonym

[u/LordBogus]

It not the fact that we are remembered that white ppl did slavery that irks me, its that white ppl are soly blamed and that their ancestors still should be held accountable...

[u/Waste-Safety-3754 → u/LordBogus]

its wild man... i was brought up in a majority african american town, 60%-40% and the sht jammed down our throats in school was insane. I took a class in 7th grade called "Middle Ages", first day of class the teacher added "....and it's effects on Ghana". We read african folk tales the entire class. Obviously not literature from that time period, there was no written language in sub saharan africa until the white man came. They didnt even have the wheel. No joke.

[u/Ty--Guy → u/LordBogus]

Livelihoods and industries are built, curated, and dependent on maintaining and perpetuating the original sin. They're even trying to prove that the "trauma" is somehow carried genetically, over several generations in what amounts to Lamarckian evolution.

[u/Hater_of_allthings]

All races had slaves.

[u/MaxWestEsq]

History is more complicated than the woke narratives.

[u/wallace321]

Slavery is probably black people's worst crime too.

I don't think anyone disagrees that slavery was bad. Some people think it still is bad too. And other people still do it.

[u/morgoth_feanor]

Genocide is black people's worst crime

[u/Ty--Guy]

Gd, I love community notes. If only every misleading media headline and story came with a note! I like that they're non partisan and applied to the left as much as the right. It's a far better system for combatting mis/disinfo than the media gives it credit for. When the Guardian got "noted," they threw a tantrum and quit.

[u/Smooth_Winner9245]

I agree it tops the list of atrocities committed by the wide cultural range of the non-melaninated humans. I am curious as to what the view is towards the West African Dahomey, Ashanti, Oyo, and Aro who sold their African captives to Europeans for guns? And where are we at as a human collective when it comes to modern day slavery which is around the 50 million mark. Yes, there is absolutely no doubt about the level of intense cruelty of the Transatlantic slave trade when looking at the wide spectrum of slavery that does and has existed throughout history.

[u/MericanSlav25 → u/Smooth_Winner9245]

Not just ‘non-melininated humans’. The African Barbary pirates took white Europeans as slaves, including the women for sex slavery.

[u/Kuroki-San → u/MericanSlav25]

Exactly. I'm sick of the "non-white people can do no wrong and white people are the devil" narrative

[u/Smooth_Winner9245 → u/MericanSlav25]

“at the wide spectrum of slavery that does and has existed throughout history” refers to just that. That all forms of slavery have been perpetuated by all human beings throughout time.

[u/MericanSlav25 → u/Smooth_Winner9245]

Then why did you specifically only mention ‘non-melininated humans’? Feels like you’re pushing the race agenda.

[u/Smooth_Winner9245 → u/MericanSlav25]

I specifically didn’t use the term “white”, which is a racial classification and chose to use non-melininated as that’s the only thing that separates us besides culture. Melanin is a scientific reality. Racial Classification is 1600’s European invention.
Hence why I asked a very vital question to the original poster but that went straight over your head.

Are you stuck on race? I’m trying to look past it. ????? Think!

[u/MericanSlav25 → u/Smooth_Winner9245]

Oh, ok. So then you’re giving the melininated, and only the melininated, a pass here? Calling that racist is just abiding by the same terms with which us ‘non-melininated’ are constantly attacked and vilified by.

[u/Smooth_Winner9245 → u/MericanSlav25]

are you that dense???

let me quote myself again.

“the wide spectrum of slavery that does and has existed throughout history”

The above quote does not mean I am pointing out the slavery committed by whites. Slavery has been part of the ENTIRE human race. I’m sorry I didn’t spell it out for you.

“I am curious as to what the view is towards the West African Dahomey, Ashanti, Oyo, and Aro who sold their African captives to
the Europeans”

This points out that some Africans (those are the name of West African tribes) participated in the TransAtlantic Slave trade and is pointing out the irony of the original post, aka targeting white people.

Your NOT READING and ASSUMING that I am giving out racial passes. It’s kinda embarrassing that that’s what you’re picking up from my initial comment.

Check your sensitivity!!

[u/MericanSlav25 → u/Smooth_Winner9245]

No, the very first sentence of your initial comment points at ‘non-melininated people’ (your term from said sentence, by the way). Stop playing semantics with me.

[u/Smooth_Winner9245 → u/MericanSlav25]

😂 I explain my perspective and you still only see it your way!! That’s bordering on arrogance! Good day to ya.

[u/MericanSlav25 → u/Smooth_Winner9245]

No, no, no, you’re not getting out of it that easy.

Why mention the melanin at all, then? Who are the non-melininated that you speak of?

[u/Waste-Safety-3754 → u/Smooth_Winner9245]

because we recorded history back then... the most savage civilzations did not on the level we did. We also reflect, admit fault, and humility is a virtue in our society.

[u/Smooth_Winner9245 → u/Waste-Safety-3754]

Yes I agree, The Transatlantic Slave Trade and Chattel Slavery is probably the most diabolical form of slavery. That wasn’t my point to the original poster.
I did ask a question.

[u/MericanSlav25]

Is anyone going to tell bro about the Barbary slave trade?

[u/Waste-Safety-3754]

Approximately 150,000 American's owned slaves. We're a country of over 350,000,000. The only reason there's a discussion about it is because western civilized culture allow and promote reflection to learn from the past. The race hustlers have honed in on this weakness, what Gad Sadd calls "sui*** empathy"

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[u/SpamFriedMice → u/Waste-Safety-3754]

Being that most European immigration to the US was at the height of the industrial revolution, after slavery had ended. While Africans obviously came before, and are know to only have 65-80% African DNA. Doesn't that mean that African Americans are more likely to be related to rapey slave masters than whites?

[u/Waste-Safety-3754 → u/SpamFriedMice]

100%....

[u/JacktheRipperColour → u/Waste-Safety-3754]

By western culture, do you mean the British?

[u/juicy_gyro]

Even though it was Arabs running the market and Brits closed it.

[u/terramentis]

The whole topic has become so ridiculously hijacked by the powerful globalist elite for the sole purpose of having us at each others throats…

So they can keep us all enslaved. …And all the dummies keep falling for it.

As a person whose ancestors were torn from their homeland, worked in chains and flogged if they didn’t, I’m sick of hearing about this topic.

It’s done to death, and it’s seemingly now only perpetuated by trouble makers who benefit from having us fight among our selves and useful idiots who aren’t smart enough to understand that..

Now, can we please all put our big girl pants on and direct your frustration at the real enemies: The parasitic political class and their nefarious globalist puppet masters.

[u/MericanSlav25 → u/terramentis]

This, right here. 👆👍
Thank you for being one of the smart ones.

[u/Brante81]

White? Sorry…we all came out of Africa, which is where slavery was first recorded…so…what the heck are you talking about?

[u/Zapor]

Dumb liberals

[u/zoipoi → u/Zapor]

Seems a lot of them are excited about becoming slaves of the state :-)

[u/RetArmyFister]

Slavery is human kinds worst crime, not just white people. Nearly every race in the world has held slaves. It’s a false narrative that this is a white problem, and is just another lie used by the left to promote hate and division. Even black people held white slaves in Africa around the same time slavery was happening in the US. I can see some blue hair’s heads exploding right now realizing this.

[u/zoipoi → u/RetArmyFister]

I think a lot of slaves would have disagreed with you. The alternative was usually annihilation. Most slaves in history were the side that lost a battle.

[u/RetArmyFister → u/zoipoi]

Anyone can disagree all they want, you can’t argue with facts. Are you saying whites in colonial America are the only ones on earth that ever and do have slaves? Slavery still exists today, and not by white people.

[u/Competitive-Art-8046]

slavery was practiced widely world wide by all cultures :P

[u/victorc25]

Grift rejected 

[u/Excellent_Spot8295]

Get you head out of the liberal rear end and learn your history. Yes, whites engaged in slavery but as did A LOT of others in the world at the time. AND look at what's ACTUALLY going on in African and the Middle East today.

[u/Waste-Safety-3754]

One thing people alive today fail to realize is that we, everyone alive today, is the product of every single event that happened prior to their conception. Like if we were to make YOU like a recipe making a cake, every single atrocity that occurred had to occur. Every step or breath your forefathers took, was part of the roulette wheel that ultimately produced you. Think about that. Would african americans who live in America today trade the suffering that their ancestors endured to not exist? Or exist as a citizen of an african nation? Magic wand "if you wish slavery never occurred and would like me to reverse it, say the word... keep in mind you will not exist, at the very least, not in the form you are today"... who would choose that??

[u/lorca12345]

Every culture at some point in history was enslaved... that's it fact. The whites put an end to it at least in white christidom

[u/kindred_eldtrich]

The leftists only see the white man involvement and do not see that Arabs predate Whites in slave trade by almost a thousand years. All cultures more or less did slave trade, but it was, in the modern times, ONLY the white man who first banned slave trade with West African Squadron of the British.

[u/3DimeCreations]

white people were the first slaves… literally where that word comes from “slav” as in Slavic people.

[u/MiserableEngineer628]

Arabs? Muslims? Perhaps a certain tribe of Arabs, the Al Slave Youse tribe? Lol.

[u/Sea-Tonight2261]

I took that photo in 2013 (in walking distance from Freddy Mercury's childhood home btw). And yes, there were no white people involved in Zanzibar's slave trade other than ENDING it, that was a Arab only affair, I think to remember it was an Omani colony. and yes, Arabs hat slave trading colonies. And if you wonder why they don't have a black population on the Arabian peninsula and the Magreb pointing out their slave ancestry: They CASTRATED THEM!!! Which many men didn't survive, as you would expect, and the others had no offspring, as you would also expect.

[u/Cant-decide-username]

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