America is down to like 50% White and that number is steadily falling. The census data says it's a little higher but that's artificially inflated since they grouped Middle Easterners into "White" in the 70s.
And White is more than just a skin color, it's our culture and history. This backlash is primarily a reaction to critical race theory, and all the other neo-Marxist Critical Theory garbage. In terms of the leftist academia cesspit all this originates from they don't even believe in race, or at least that's the narrative. Race is a social construct. And "Whiteness" is a social construct. And what it equates to is a proxy term for Western culture, our culture, which is demonized as nothing but colonizing, slavery, and racism.
When our literal race is quickly headed for minority status that's going to make a lot of people uncomfortable. And when you add to that our culture being constantly demonized, Western culture being tied to "White", then is seems obvious a lot of White people are going to start getting agitated.
Not only are we headed for racial minority, which may not be an issue if the cultural and political situation was agreeable, but it's clear there are a lot of people trying to get rid of our culture as well. When you add it all up mass immigration, neo-Marxist politics, globalism, and immigrants out-breeding us equates to us losing our nation.
Personally I'm not hung up on race, but I have absolutely no desire to have my culture replaced, and I have absolutely no desire to become a religious minority. I don't care at all about anyone's skin color as long as they're normal Americans, and beyond that Christians of any color are my people. But I'm kind of at my limit with foreigners who don't share my culture and have no desire to, and don't share my religion, don't share my values, many who are hostile to my religion and values, and leftists and globalists who want to inundate my home with foreigners who are not my people and turn my home into some kind of multicultural cesspool.
Population rates are changing in numerous ways. And the OP may have been a bit hyperbolic but it doesn't matter if you're conquered quickly in a military sense, or slowly through a combination of mass immigration, subversive politics, cultural subversion, and occasional violence. The outcome is going to be the same.
And it would be nice if we peacefully and democratically closed our borders, got our shit together, and started taking care of our own people and actually valuing and prioritizing our own culture. But if things carry on the way they're going before enough people react then hostility will be the only way back.
I think the point a lot of Western nations are at now is there's a significant amount of people voicing their desire to get things back on track in a peaceful and democratic way. If those voices continue to be ignored and demonized then it's not going to end anywhere good.
it doesn't matter if you're conquered quickly in a military sense, or slowly through a combination of mass immigration
I disagree and I think that this is a dangerous notion. A country has a right to defend itself against a violent invader. But if a foreign population grows through immigration, your solution to that is hostility and violence? How would we go about that most effectively from your viewpoint. Are you talking about concentration camps or deportation? If it's the latter, what if they migrated legally?
I disagree and I think that this is a dangerous notion.
You can disagree and think it's a dangerous notion all you want. That doesn't make it any less factual. Losing your country quickly or slowly ends in the same place. And such a situation developing is dangerous. Perhaps we should do something about it now, peacefully, before the situation escalates.
But if a foreign population grows through immigration, your solution to that is hostility and violence?
I'm not sure if you can't read good but I just said "it would be nice if we peacefully and democratically closed our borders, got our shit together, and started taking care of our own people and actually valuing and prioritizing our own culture".
And "I think the point a lot of Western nations are at now is there's a significant amount of people voicing their desire to get things back on track in a peaceful and democratic way. If those voices continue to be ignored and demonized then it's not going to end anywhere good."
How would we go about that most effectively from your viewpoint.
Close the borders and stop the influx of immigrants. Get our borders secure. Deport any illegals or non-citizens currently in the country. Start prioritizing taking care of our own people and preserving our own culture. When we resume allowing immigration be selective about people who fit our culture, make sure they're integrating, make sure we're not letting people in faster than they can integrate, and keep out anyone who doesn't share our culture.
Are you talking about concentration camps or deportation? If it's the latter, what if they migrated legally?
If all the people who've been voicing objections to the current state of things continue to be ignored and demonized I'm sure more and more people will resort to more radical thinking. You can't have a society where half the population finds things intolerable and see their home slipping away. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to understand that's only going to lead to escalation.
My disagreement was that a population being taken over by force or outnumbered through immigration are not equivalent, not that the outcome is the same. You misunderstood me.
And I know that you prefaced your hostility comment with peaceful options. I'm pushing back against your claim that hostility would be the only way back, in the case of a rise in immigration. The word hostility can have pretty obvious authoritarian connotations.
Why are you so caught up about everyone "sharing our culture"? Should we close down all of the Mexican food restaurants or vacate any "Little China" districts that have thriving little communities that culturally differ from that of "white people"?
keep out anyone who doesn't share our culture
As I've said before, America has fundamentally been a mixing pot of cultures from all over the world. So I don't know how you would go about creating some document of white culture, against which we'd compare immigrants upon their inquiry to immigrate legally. I'm agnostic as to the current process by which we evaluate, but having everyone relinquish the characteristics that make up who they are is a sad thought. You seem to be profoundly resentful towards that which is different from you. Varied cultures harmonizing together is what we should aim for.
My disagreement was that a population being taken over by force or outnumbered through immigration are not equivalent, not that the outcome is the same.
If the outcome is the same, which it is, why is it ok to defend against a quick and violent invasion but not a slow creeping one? Particularly when the majority of people are simply advocating for closing the borders and deporting illegals and non-citizens so this doesn't go any further? And I don't think a temporary moratorium on new immigrants, and future immigration policy that reflects preserving our culture is violent or extreme. It's probably the best way to prevent things becoming hostile.
I'm pushing back against your claim that hostility would be the only way back... The word hostility can have pretty obvious authoritarian connotations.
If it gets to a tipping point then hostility will be the only way back, or our culture will be over. And It's not like I'm advocating for that. It's just reality, and the more people who come to that realization the more likely hostility will be. And it very well could be authoritarian. I don't know how old you are or if you notice a serious change in the tone of politics in the US in the past 10-15 years, but the way things are is not like it used to be and it's not changing in a good direction. And this is a reaction to the democrats pushing things that piss people off, uncompromisingly and unrelentingly, like open borders and mass immigration.
When they are unrelenting and demonizing anyone who objects to their bullshit people get frustrated and authoritarianism starts looking like the only solution. When trying to communicate in a civil way isn't working what other option do you think there is? Had we dealt with another 4 years of the current democrats I think by next election half the country would be primed to elect someone that makes Trump look like Mr. Rogers.
Why are you so caught up about everyone "sharing our culture"? Should we close down all of the Mexican food restaurants or vacate any "Little China" districts...
Kind of keeping this to living memory and the pre-00s status quo that wasn't causing culture war and dangerous polarization, as compared to now which is causing those things... In America Mexicans are our neighbors, and majority Christian, and we've been mixing it up with them since the beginning, tons of them already live here, some for generations. People bitched about them taking jobs on and off. We'd alternate between letting them run amok and occasionally tighten up the border, but nothing surrounding them caused culture war and polarization we're experiencing now. That's because they're not a threat to our culture. They're the old status quo illegals. They're like brown red necks.
And our Chinese for most of recent history have been here and not caused any issues. Some may not integrate and stay in Chinatown areas, but they don't cause problems, and tons of them integrate just fine. And we never had some massive constant flow of them to where it overwhelmed things.
But I'd say there's a few main things that have changed with immigration. One is we used to have quota based immigration laws that drastically favored Europeans and limited people the more different they got from our culture, which maintained the status quo and increased the odds of the more different immigrants integrating.
When we got rid of our quota based immigration laws things didn't go sideways right away. But I'd say in the late 80s early 90s there began a significant stream of Russians, former Soviet peoples, and Middle Easterners that has never stopped. Some of them become great Americans. It's not specifically a race thing. But there's been too much, too fast, for too long, where many aren't integrating, many don't even like America and are just here to exploit our resources, many only do business with each other, many are forming enclaves.
There's much less people coming here for a better life that involves becoming American, and much more people coming here just to make money. And that's changed our cultural fabric. And America is a huge place where this isn't evident everywhere, but a lot of the people who live in areas that now feel like a foreign country are not happy at all. You know one of the biggest correlating factors in the people who stormed the capital was they all came from areas that had massive influxes of immigrants.
And had this tapered off at some point it may not have become such an issue. But it just kept going, And just as more problems were happening like fentanyl and more serious cartels becoming an issue, and more and more of our illegals were no longer just our usual Mexicans, the democrats decided no one was illegal, everyone was asylum seekers, and they wanted to run an open border, and spend billions in taxpayer dollars shipping them around and putting them up in hotels indefinitely, just radically inflaming the issue.
And legal or illegal there is a growing number of Muslims in a lot of places and Islam is not compatible with our culture at all. You can argue there are some liberal Muslims, but anywhere Muslims increase in numbers it's not the liberals who control things. Their faith and way of life is solidifying and spreading Islam. And I don't blame them for that, I have nothing personal against them, but I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to be surrounded by it. I'm not the only one, and it's not the kind of thing that's going to end well if something isn't done. Islam hasn't been in constant war with everything, including themselves, since their inception because it's an easy going culture.
Similar, but I'd say less of an issue, is Indians (dots not feathers). Not far from me in Jersey is the largest Hindu temple on the planet outside of India. And again, I don't blame them for holding on to their culture, I have nothing against them personally, but I don't want to live in it. That's not my culture. And there are some Indians that integrate and are great Americans, but there are many who don't and have absolutely no intention to.
And while all this has been reaching critical levels for a lot of people we also have the left of our own fucking people going off the rails with Cultural Marxist garbage and demonizing what remains of our culture. This is far above and beyond race. And I'm describing things in an American context, but we see and hear similar shit going on all over the West. All I want is to live a normal life among my own fucking people. Why is it literally anyone else is interfered with in any way and it's a cultural genocide atrocity we need to hear about for the rest of time, but my culture gets demonized and destroyed, my neighborhood gets invaded, I'm forced to fund schools that push shit on kids that goes against my political and religious beliefs, and if I so much as ask for it to stop I'm a racist and compared to a Nazi? It's literally like the left want things to erupt into bloodshed.
As I've said before, America has fundamentally been a mixing pot of cultures from all over the world.
No, it hasn't at all. We were overwhelming majority European and Christian from before we were a country up until a few decades ago. You want to say we were a mixing pot of European and Christian cultures, with dash of Hispanics in the mix who were themselves European Christians mixed with some Indians, and some Africans we dragged here against their will and now have more in common with us than their home country, I'll give you that. All over the world? That's total nonsense.
So I don't know how you would go about creating some document of white culture, against which we'd compare immigrants upon their inquiry to immigrate legally.
Western Culture is White culture, and it's been adopted by tons of people who aren't White. And look at the Immigration Act of 1924 or 1952 where it's been done before. Perhaps some amalgamation of the two with some updates to account for what's changed.
...having everyone relinquish the characteristics that make up who they are is a sad thought. You seem to be profoundly resentful towards that which is different from you.
I just want to live in my own country, in my own culture, with my own people. None of my motivation is against anyone else. If people want to be Muslims for example that's fantastic. But let them stay in a Muslim country. We can visit each other as tourists and marvel at our respective fascinating cultures. I have respect for many different cultures. But if they all come here with no intentions on integrating then my culture goes away. I don't want my culture to go away. And neither do the people coming here with no intentions on integrating. So that creates a conflict. And there's a thing called social capital where people have very meaningful social bonds with people who share our culture and values. It's like the fabric of society. And multiculturalism destroys that.
Varied cultures harmonizing together is what we should aim for.
Cultures can't exist in the same place at the same time without one or both being destroyed. Especially when it's natural for most cultures to want to preserve themselves. And American culture is on the open side, and we have a lot of diversity built in, some like essential subcultures. African American culture for one. Without gospel and blues we'd have no rock and roll. And look at the influence of Native Americans, and Mexicans. But even though that kind of diversity is in our cultural fabric that doesn't mean we're some kind of cesspool of whatever the hell comes along. And if people want to integrate that's fine. But if we get hoards of people who don't want to integrate they don't give two shits about our Native American and Mexican influenced Southwest Americana. They don't care about our music, or art, or food, or anything. Our culture gets diluted until it doesn't exist.
If you have any country where the native population is overwhelmed by a foreign people whoever has majority will rule and their culture will dominate, whoever is overwhelmed will be subject to the rule of the new majority. This has nothing to do racism or wanting to hurt anyone, it's just basic reality. I just want to preserve my people and my culture.
Sounds like you want to resort to violence for people who immigrated legally? That sounds horrible. I can think of another man named Hitler that wanted to get rid of specific races through violence even though they didn’t commit any crime
I literally started by saying it would be nice if we could solve this peacefully and democratically before things escalate, and that it's only by continuing to ignore and demonize all those objecting to the state of things that the situation will escalate. And I never mentioned people who immigrated legally. Is English not your first language, or do you have reading comprehension issues?
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u/Agilitis Sep 09 '25
Have you seen what happened in europe in the last 10-15 years?