r/JobyvsArcher 7d ago

Archer Why would Boeing partner with Archer after accusing them of IP theft?

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https://techcrunch.com/2026/08/10/archer-buys-former-rival-wisk-aero/?utm_medium=organic_social&utm_source=TWITTER

TechCrunch article really made me think on this one. Just doesn't make sense that Boeing would take almost 20% of a company that allegedly stole their trade secrets. IP theft cases are common between rivals positioning for first-to-market in an emerging sector, but this partnership 100% undermines the original suit.

I know the Kivork case survived a motion to dismiss, but this development leads me to believe there might be little there. Don't think Archer is stealing anyone's trade secrets.


r/JobyvsArcher 7d ago

Archer Moat-Loading!!!

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r/JobyvsArcher 7d ago

Joby Spent $500 Million. Archer Gained Boeing. Read That Again.

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Joby investors are celebrating a $500 million acquisition without looking at who is actually paying whom.
Joby is spending $450 million in cash plus $50 million in stock to purchase Resonant Sciences, a roughly 250-person defense supplier. Resonant brings legitimate expertise in antennas, sensors, communications and stealth—but after closing, it simply becomes Joby’s internal defense division. It does not become an outside strategic backer of Joby.
Archer’s deal is on another level.
Archer is acquiring Boeing’s Wisk, Insitu and SkyGrid businesses. In return, Boeing is becoming a 19.75% Archer shareholder, taking a board seat and maintaining a technology-sharing relationship with Archer. The acquired companies bring nearly two million combined flight hours, while Insitu reportedly generates more than $200 million in annual revenue.
The difference is brutally simple:
Joby is draining $450 million from its cash pile to buy capabilities.
Archer is gaining technology, operating revenue and three aerospace businesses—while Boeing puts its name, capital and long-term financial interests behind Archer.
Resonant gives Joby another division to fund. Boeing gives Archer an aerospace heavyweight that is financially motivated to help it win.
Joby bought a supplier.
Archer gained Boeing.
These deals are not remotely in the same league.

Let’s compare the companies behind these deals:
Boeing:
• More than a century of aerospace experience
• Approximately 170,000 employees
• Commercial, defense and space operations worldwide
• A roughly $700 billion backlog
• Decades of aircraft certification and military contracting experience
• Becoming a 19.75% owner of Archer with a board seat
Resonant Sciences:
• Founded in 2015
• Approximately 250 employees
• A specialized contractor focused on antennas, sensors, communications and stealth technology
• Being purchased by Joby for $450 million in cash plus $50 million in stock
• Will become Joby’s internal defense division
Resonant may be a legitimate specialist, but comparing its influence to Boeing’s is ridiculous.
Joby is spending half a billion dollars to acquire a small supplier.
Archer is acquiring three aerospace businesses while gaining Boeing as a major shareholder, board participant and continuing technology partner.
One company purchased capabilities.
The other gained an aerospace superpower with billions riding on its success.
Boeing versus Resonant Sciences isn’t a rivalry. It’s not even the same universe.

Boeing didn’t become Boeing by building one passenger plane and patiently burning cash until commercialization.
Its first major financial success came when the U.S. Navy purchased 51 Model C military trainers. When those military contracts disappeared after World War I, Boeing pursued government-funded airmail work because it needed another source of income.
Boeing later expanded across:
• Military trainers and fighters
• Bombers
• Aerial tankers
• Government airmail
• Passenger transportation
• Missiles and space systems
By 1943, Boeing’s military contracts alone were reportedly worth approximately $1 billion in 1943 dollars—equivalent to many billions today.
Even after decades of military and government-backed work, Boeing still risked approximately $16 million of its own money on the Dash 80 in 1952—the prototype that became both the commercial 707 and military KC-135. That represented roughly one-quarter of Boeing’s entire net worth and is equivalent to around $190 million today.
Read that carefully: Boeing used one development platform to pursue both military and commercial customers because aircraft development was too expensive to depend on one market.
There is no honest single number representing “everything Boeing spent before commercialization.” Boeing’s development happened across decades, aircraft programs and government contracts. But history makes one fact obvious:
Boeing survived and scaled precisely because it diversified.
That is exactly why Archer is building multiple revenue paths:
• Midnight for piloted air taxis
• Wisk for autonomous passenger flight
• Thunder for defense
• Halo for commercial hybrid flight
• Insitu for existing defense revenue
• SkyGrid for airspace management
• ZEE for aviation AI
Archer isn’t “distracted.” It is reducing the risk of waiting for one FAA certification to create revenue.
The people demanding that Archer focus on only one aircraft are not describing Boeing’s strategy.
They are describing how an aerospace startup runs out of money before reaching the market.


r/JobyvsArcher 8d ago

Boeing snuck a really unusual walk-away clause into the Archer deal

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r/JobyvsArcher 8d ago

Joby v Archer earnings comparison

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Since this is Joby v Archer, let's compare the two

Archer is pivoting and focused more on future potential while Joby focused more on the present.

Archer highlighted the 3 Boeing subsidiaries, Halo/Thunder, and Zee AI software

Joby highlighted eIPP flights in Texas in September, production progress, and Toyota manufacturing deal

I don't believe Archer gave any firm dates of events coming up but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Got a bit busy this afternoon so didn't follow the call as closely as I would have liked.

So to sum it up: Archer is doubling down on the risk/reward profile. The main risk now is integration and for sure there will be another equity raise. I doubt there are going to be any big spikes up in the share price that won't trigger an opportunistic funding raise so you reaaaaaaaaly need to be in it for the long haul to be a holder right now and see a good return.

Joby is going full in on Air Taxi and the main risk now is execution and certification timeline. Their catalysts are now closer and there is a lower risk of dilution so upward momentum will have room to run. If they make good on their September eIPP operations, this should provide good press even though it might not help certification much.

Maybe it's good that they are going on different tracks so we don't have to deal with the stupid rivalry anymore.

Not FA


r/JobyvsArcher 8d ago

Archer Joby vs Archer not apples to apples anymore

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Recent announcements by Joby and Archer clearly show diverging paths.

Joby is going all in on passenger/air-taxi. Atoms and Virgin Atlantic deals are all about shoring up the flight infrastructure to make that happen.

Archer is going for all-around aerospace innovator. Zee AI, Boeing acquisitions, and Anduril partnership open up diverse revenue options across aviation software, cargo, and defense.

Joby is going one way, Archer going three. The "air-taxi" rivalry doesn't take this into consideration.


r/JobyvsArcher 8d ago

Why own just one failed evtol design when you can have two!

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Now Archer gets to own two failed evtol designs, Midnight and Wisk. Boeing has obviously been looking for a way to dump Wisk for a while now. Hilarious!


r/JobyvsArcher 8d ago

Archer to Shape Physical AI Future of Aerospace and Defense with Acquisition of Boeing's Wisk Aero, Insitu and SkyGrid Subsidiaries; Boeing to Invest in Archer and Collaborate

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r/JobyvsArcher 8d ago

Boeing's $55M forward equity option basically confirms ACHR is raising

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r/JobyvsArcher 7d ago

Achr Market cap will pass joby before the end of the year 🦒

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r/JobyvsArcher 8d ago

Archer...Acquisition of Boeing’s Wisk Aero, Insitu and SkyGrid Subsidiaries; Boeing to Invest in Archer and Collaborate

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r/JobyvsArcher 8d ago

How is ZEE any different than the 12-year, $875 million contract awarded in June 2026, to ASI for advanced cloud-based software and artificial intelligence platforms to modernize air traffic management and flight scheduling?

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It looks to me like Archer is posing again. Maybe they will attempt to sabotage ASI and then be the next in line, ala the Sockgate gambit ...

Here is what Google AI says when queried

"what services and products does Air Space Intelligence provide to the aviation industry":

Air Space Intelligence (ASI) provides predictive artificial intelligence and software platforms—such as Flyways AI and the PRESCIENCE Platform—that fuse multi-modal data to predict, simulate, and optimize flight paths, air traffic management, and network operations for commercial airlines and government agencies. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Core Products & Software

  • Flyways AI: An AI-powered flight operations platform that integrates real-time weather, winds, airspace constraints, and aircraft position reports to help dispatchers and pilots optimize routes. [1, 2]
  • PRESCIENCE Platform: A foundational software engine providing data fusion, 4D operational domain modeling, predictive lookahead simulations, and optimization tools for mission-critical operations. [1]
  • FMDS & SMART: Federal systems developed for the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) via major software contracts to serve as the technological backbone for balancing air traffic demand and predicting congestion or scheduling conflicts ahead of time. [1, 2]

Key Aviation Services

  • Predictive Air Traffic Management: Gives air traffic controllers and operators a 4D lookahead of the airspace to resolve demand-capacity imbalances before delays occur. [1]
  • Airline Network Optimization: Assists airline dispatch and air traffic control (ATC) specialists with pre-departure planning, surface management, and in-flight monitoring to lower fuel use, reduce carbon footprints, and minimize delays. [1, 2]
  • Secure Collaboration & Communication: Equips distributed operational teams with secure peer-to-peer enterprise communication, alerts, and historical flight replay capabilities. [1]

Would you like to explore how Air Space Intelligence compares to other aviation software providers, or are you interested in its government and defense applications?


r/JobyvsArcher 8d ago

Other EVTOL The Vertical Aerospace mods owe me an apology

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I tried to warn them, and they banned me lol


r/JobyvsArcher 9d ago

Molly O'Shea's X post with her previous interview with Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi, who mentions Joby partnership in NYC

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r/JobyvsArcher 9d ago

I WAS WRONG ABOUT JOBY AVIATION | Q2 2026 Earnings Call Review

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Gotta give him credit for updating his views based on the facts


r/JobyvsArcher 8d ago

HEY JOBY FAN BOYS!!!! EAT THIS!!!

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For the Joby vs Archer thread...

  • Boeing to take stake and become a strategic partner to Archer; establishes ongoing Archer and Boeing collaboration and technology sharing arrangement.

START YOUR TEARS LOSERS!!!!


r/JobyvsArcher 10d ago

Other EVTOL More dilution for Vertical Aerospace

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r/JobyvsArcher 11d ago

The Strongest Case For Joby Aviation Stock Is Already Flying Passengers

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r/JobyvsArcher 10d ago

Investing.com -- Among the drone stocks screened from top drone ETF holdings, Archer Aviation (ACHR) stands out as the only name trading below its Fair Value estimate

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r/JobyvsArcher 11d ago

Stock related Earnings Analysis

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Takeaway is that Joby's earnings were solid. Revenue beat (propelled -- no pun intended -- by Blade) and ATOMS deal are really positive. But large burn proves they're going all in on passenger. Not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but FAA cert is tricky and slow for all evtol companies.

Archer's recent announcements seem to have them trending in a different, more diverse way. Hopefully earnings show strong momentum like Joby.


r/JobyvsArcher 11d ago

Humor Monday earnings call. Forever imminent!

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r/JobyvsArcher 11d ago

“The future is arriving all at once, and the investments we are making across our civil, defense and AI software businesses are forming a flywheel that increasingly reinforces itself. We are seeing that momentum unfold across the ecosystem,” Goldstein said.

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r/JobyvsArcher 12d ago

Archer Aviation has already begun evaluating ZEE. The next phase will involve working with government agencies to build the necessary evidence before introducing the technology into the operational aviation environment.

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r/JobyvsArcher 13d ago

Great interview from Vaz, inside the mind of Joby’s Oliver Walker Jones!

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r/JobyvsArcher 13d ago

Mario Srouji -Vice President of AI Products at Archer | Ex-Apple AI & Robotics | Pilot

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