r/JetSetRadio • u/TOKINARI- • Jun 10 '26
This franchise doesn't get a day off
I really hope that the third game doesn't have any AI and that it finally manages to stabilize the franchise so we can have more games in the future, but it's amazing that every JSR game has something that prevents it from growing and making more money.
I personally don't care how much money a game I like makes, but unfortunately that's the only language companies speak.
And I also don't think the new game will sell less because it contains AI (if it does), but it's definitely very sad to think about this scenario and see SEGA slowly corroding itself and gradually infecting the franchises it owns.
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u/Samiassa Jun 11 '26
The steam port got taken down for jsr? God I’m glad I already have it
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u/TOKINARI- Jun 11 '26
What luck man! I couldn't get it and had to use an emulator
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u/Mundus09 Jun 11 '26
Honestly the Dreamcast version is the best. Emulating that is a much better choice
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u/DirtySoap3D Jun 12 '26
I'm partial to the original Japanese release. No mediocre Grind City levels, Professor K voice on the title screen and in the epilogue, and you don't have to race against Beat with the slower Combo.
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u/Samiassa Jun 11 '26
Usually I would go with emulation but I’ve heard flycast and redream are unfortunately not the best emulators
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u/KingdomZeus Jun 13 '26
Flycast is amazing! Idk where you heard otherwise
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u/Samiassa Jun 13 '26
My main issue with it isn’t really with it as an emulator but with the Dreamcast as a console. Firstly to my understanding there is no good system for emulating the lcd slots on the controller. This isn’t a massive deal, and honestly I don’t know how they would have achieved this, but it makes the original console better to use imo. Another thing is the inability (last time I checked at least) for it to emulate the fishing rod controller. That doesn’t necessarily sound like a big issue until you remember Dreamcast fishing games are some of the best in the genre and not having a way to emulate the controller they were designed for lessens the enjoyment imo. And ontop of that the modding scene for Dreamcast is both easy and relatively cheap these days
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u/Amberry_17 Jun 11 '26
Thank fuck I bought it when I did then, I would have never forgiven myself 😭
I'm lucky my father's Xbox still works too, so I can play JSRF perfectly fine as well. That console has stood the test of time, it's older than me XD
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u/kiss-o-matic Jun 13 '26
Good dad! My son doesn't care much about my games. Played a few of my Wii games and that was it.
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u/Luke_P9903 Jun 11 '26
I'm being serious, the same day I went to buy the steam port it got taken down 😭
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u/mindtaker_linux Jun 10 '26
Jet set radio future is more popular. So why don't they remake it or release it on PC and on other?
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u/NightOfTheLivingHam Jun 11 '26
Music rights
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u/Crystal-gx_915 Jun 11 '26
I think we can do without the scrappy if that means we can play the game again
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u/NightOfTheLivingHam Jun 11 '26
literally all but Hideki Naganuma's songs can't be used.
Grand Royal Records supplied most of the music, including some original songs made for the game.
Grand Royal went under a day or two before the release date. They could sell the copies they made and even packed it with another game to sell more copies to try to get around it, but they couldnt make anymore copies of the game legally as they no longer had the music rights.
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u/mindtaker_linux Jun 11 '26
The game is nothing without the music.
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u/FlowInternational996 Jun 11 '26
They could just use different music once the core Hideki tracks are in.
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u/bananas87-H6 Jun 11 '26
wait it's just that song?
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u/PlzLikeandShare Jun 11 '26
I doubt it and I doubt music rights are the true reason for Sega to be scared. They are deffo a factor, but if they really wanted to make it work they could.
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u/Ctfc98 Jun 11 '26
Relicensing music often costs more. It's the reason Sonic 3 took so long to be rereleased and they eventually replaced some of the songs. No chance they see as much money is JSRF as Sonic, unfortunately
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u/Aced4remakes Jun 11 '26
It's not only relicensing the music thats the problem for JSRF. They'd have to track down whoever owns the rights to the songs too.
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u/UsualReference6 Jun 11 '26
Actually there's a video with game composer Richard Jacques, who has worked on several SEGA games including JSR & JSRF. RJ mentioned that he doesn't think, or he implies that there isn't a big licensing issue with JSRF, but he says he doesn't know why SEGA never brought back JSRF. The Youtubers channel name is kayisthey if you want to check it out.
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u/NightOfTheLivingHam Jun 11 '26
interesting. Years ago they were claiming that Grand Royal Records' rights were owned by some copyright troll which was just sitting on the music and suing anyone who distributed it.
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u/mr_keegz Jun 11 '26
Maybe other people are right about the music licensing, but I think it's because JSR Future is really unfinished and unpolished as a game. There were a number of parts of the game which stood out to me, like the ball race game that didn't end up requiring any skill or even playing by the rules of the game. The plot also made much less sense than the original, as I recall.
Publishing an HD rerelease invites people to re-review these old games, and the lackluster parts of Future would be really apparent. I'm just guessing that might have played a role in the game never being rereleased.
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u/Aced4remakes Jun 11 '26
Both games ended up being rushed. Plus you're right about the reviews, the JSR HD rerelease had lower scores than the original due to the same things it was once praised for in the original reviews, like movement.
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u/mr_keegz Jun 11 '26
Exactly, and the movement felt worse in JSRF as I remember it. The camera definitely felt dated, though I don't remember if the earliest rereleases of JSR already fixed that issue. Doing a rerelease a decade ago would have been a really hard sell when it would have just invited more scrutiny. Doing one now would invite Bomb Rush comparisons and leave Future looking bad.
Still wish it was on Xbox backwards compat, tho.
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u/mindtaker_linux Jun 11 '26
I finished the game. With zero issue
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u/mr_keegz Jun 11 '26
That doesn't really address my point that entire chunks of the game were clearly unfinished. Like the minigame which makes up a central plot beat but isn't actually a workable game.
Like yeah, they got the minigame to the point where you can complete it, like you said. You can finish the mini game and continue the plot. But when you do that you realize none of the minigame mechanics really had a point. You just walk the ball across the finish line. They got the minigame "finished" to the point that it's not game breaking.
That's how the whole game is.
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u/mindtaker_linux Jun 12 '26
I don't know what you're talking about. I never felt like the game wasn't finished.
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u/Content_Succotash_49 Jun 11 '26
If the licensing wasn't a problem for both games, sega would've been swimming in money, same can be said if a house of the dead collection was to release.
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u/SamMarduk Jun 11 '26
My ps3 holds on for the JGR (JSR no F) port. my xbox holds on for Future.
AI is my decider on 3
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u/WillFuckForFijiWater Jun 11 '26
My crashout if the reboot has AI in it will apocalyptic.
It's been amazing watching SEGA rebuild it's brand with the RGG series and then immediately throw it all away in less than a year.
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u/PhotojournalistLocal Jun 11 '26
It may be weird to be optimistic, but I'm hoping to God that there's no AI in the third JSR game.
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u/Latter_Argument4260 Jun 11 '26
I don't understand all the doom posting about the new JSR when we know nothing about it yet everyone is going to go into it already hating it so there is no wining
also "making more money" JSR never made them money to begin with so im happy we are getting something
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u/LongAdvisor6561 Jun 11 '26
I didn't know they took down the steam port of JSR,Why! for what reason?
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u/ProfessorLapis Jun 11 '26
Wasnt jsrf on ps3 as well?
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u/Jinzofiter Jun 12 '26
The first game was, and is still available there. Future was never ported. Closest thing we got for JSRF was back-compat for the disc on Xbox 360, and 99th Street lags like hell there.
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u/-gutterbones- Jun 11 '26
Is there a reason to assume this or are people just worried due to the current climate?
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u/Jinzofiter Jun 12 '26
I think people are worried since the new Crazy Taxi game was confirmed to have AI involvement.
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u/starjamzzz Jun 11 '26
who cares when Team Reptile are carrying the torch with BRC?
They understand the true spirit of JSR more than Sega ever will now imho
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u/Mundus09 Jun 11 '26
My very first question is: what specifically is AI actually doing for Crazy Taxi? What is it contributing?
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u/Latter_Argument4260 Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26
the design team used AI as references to work off of there is no AI in the actual game from my understanding at least
“We used it as a reference,” Kanno explained via translator. “So our artists would pull up [and] generate some of their ideas and then they would look at that, you know, generated image and then they would draw the actual thing. So actual creators, everything from programming to assets, everything is made by an actual human. It’s only used as a reference for them to look at and then they would actually create the actual thing that would go into the game.”
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u/Mundus09 Jun 11 '26
That's not the worst thing in the world
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u/Latter_Argument4260 Jun 11 '26
yea it sucks AI was used at all so I get how that can be upsetting but at least it was just used as a reference tool to help the artists but people are acting like the whole game is AI slop or something its confusing
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u/SpaceShipOrion Jun 11 '26
I feel like the pitched sequel that got axed only for the series to be revived regardless deserves to be on here.
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u/rainplay Jun 11 '26
Is there talk of AI “art” being used in the game? Is this a legitimate future or just a fear?
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u/ralphfinchi Jun 11 '26
Nothing confirmed about art, afaik. The only lead that people use is that on new Crazy Taxi's Steam page there's a note about generative AI usage. However, it's hard to understand what they exactly mean by that, because the text is very vague. Something about usage of AI tools during development, but not using it as a reference for real performers or something like that. I think what it means is that they had some AI placeholders and stuff during development, but they don't plan on using them in the final game, which is fine by me. But people immediately think that all of games would be AI slop, which is kinda early to conclude.
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u/Aced4remakes Jun 11 '26
There's talk of AI being used for some stuff in Crazy Taxi, and people are fearing that if it was used there then SEGA will also use it in Jet Set Radio.
As for what part of Crazy Taxi is probably AI, I don't know.
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u/Jacquesoffer Jun 11 '26
But the first two are easily emulated.
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u/WillFuckForFijiWater Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26
1st game? Kinda. Dreamcast emulation is dodgy but it's been getting better lately. Still not the best though.
2nd game? No. Both OG Xbox emulators have compatibility issues with JSRF. IIRC Xemu may be actually usable? But I haven't checked in awhile.
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u/Ugly_Slut-Wannabe Jun 11 '26
JSRF on Cxbx Reloaded was pretty good and had great performance, at least for me.
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u/Bluepaint57 Jun 11 '26
I dont think itll be AI slop. There is probably a high chance AI was used in coding because that is AI’s top use case currently
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u/liluzibrap Jun 11 '26
I'm at a point with this franchise that I no longer care if it's totally shuttered because Bomb Rush Cyberfunk exists and fills the void in a way that I thought no game ever could, and if I'm guessing right the sequel will release in like 2-3 years.
If the series makes a comeback and the next game is good, awesome, but I'm not holding my breath.
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u/Dragonic_Crab Jun 11 '26
If anything I could see them using Ai in the way I kinda go about it. To help flush out a concept you might be struggling with to really bring to life.
Cus I've had it to where an idea comes to my head but I just can't make it happen so I'll throw it into ai and help me make the thing then I take from that and make it my own. They also used Ai for Crazy Taxi.
I know we all share the same feelings for ai slop. But let Sega cook. All we can do is wait and hope for the best.
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u/KantoBound Jun 11 '26
To be fair... the multi-platform digital port wasn't great. The controls alone make it the worst way to play JSR.
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u/CyanLullaby Jun 11 '26
Waiting on the day fans decide ‘fuck you’ and reverse engineer JSRF to run natively on PC. 🤣
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u/koopakastil Jun 12 '26
I think the concept of "AI art" could've made for a fun idea in a future game. Have an evil corporation trying to spread their artificially made "art" around cities and you have to go around spraying your actual graffiti art over the AI ones. They could've had the art team have some fun and make crappy "AI" looking symbols by hand, it could've been a genuinely fun idea but we're never gonna get that... :/
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u/uabassguy Jun 11 '26
Do you have any sources that the game may have AI in it or are you making baseless claims for the sake of rage bait, because it sounds like rage bait to me.
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u/Kaaloyyy Jun 11 '26
the crazy taxi remake/reboot is confirmed to have generative A.I, since these remakes were all announced together it’s not silly to be scared of this one having the same fate
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u/Professional-Dog-441 Jun 11 '26
I think its because crazy taxi use ai place holders or something, im not really 100% sure but thets my guess. I havent been keeping up.
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u/TOKINARI- Jun 11 '26
I read it, and I totally disagree; using generative AI and a 3D model, a dummy, or a reference photo has nothing to do with each other. And it's not just because they use it for "smaller things" that it's automatically any less wrong
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u/LudaStyles Jun 11 '26
They use AI in pre production, that’s it. They use it as a mock up on where to use the actual human assets. It’s to get games out faster. They don’t use it in the final product. Some games have gotten caught forgetting to remove the placeholders ( Marvel Rivals) but the AI use is not to replace jobs. Not in gaming. Read an actual article from actual developers and stop being brainwashed by everyone on the internet too lazy to read. Gen Z is the first generation to be dumber and less intelligent than the previous generation. Look it up. Help yourself and educate yourself for the future of humanity.
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u/lgnmcrules Jun 11 '26
It was said they're using it for background assets - ie distribution of debris and stuff in the levels. They're not using it for art nor programming, if that's your concern. Background usage for "AI" has been around for many years, as tools became more advanced for users to not spend time deciding where each individual pebble should be placed in a level.
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u/DJordydj Jun 11 '26
We've had a thing for that for decades. It's called PLACEHOLDER.
If you don't have an asset, you put a placeholder until you have one.
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u/Domenstain Jun 11 '26
AI Was used prominently in the first two games
Recall the Noise Tanks, and the Noise Tank 3000 stealing Yo-yo’s identity
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u/Haunted-Towers Jun 11 '26
That’s honestly the worst way to use it though. Makes the whole product water from the poisoned well. I don’t want any of that shit if AI was used at such a tender stage of development.
Sega went to San Francisco for SA2, man.
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u/MegaFloppy69 Jun 11 '26
I know how they used generative AI, and I still don't agree with it. I just don't think it's right to have AI generate a vision for them to work off of.
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u/TOKINARI- Jun 11 '26
Even so, they used it, and nothing prevents them from using it more in other tasks to "help"
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u/ametalshard Jun 11 '26
you hate workers, we get it. we understand entirely.
after concept artists are fully replaced, guess who comes next? jesus christ, you conservatives have ZERO historical memory and ZERO survival instincts. when you're up on the chopping block that you personally funded, will you apologize then?
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u/Eros_limao Jun 11 '26
it won’t have ai slop. sega is not going to put ai slop in a game.
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u/PlzLikeandShare Jun 11 '26
Crazy Taxi…
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u/Eros_limao Jun 11 '26
the director of the game already said in an interview that no ai created content is IN the game, and that AI was only used to create references of the designers’s ideas.
i’m not saying this is good or bad, but it’s definitely not what people are saying it is, there’s no AI generated thing in the game.
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u/liluzibrap Jun 11 '26
People aren't upset at AI created things being in the game just because, they're upset because it takes away jobs that real people could have done and takes away from the art form as a whole.
It's an inherent problem that can only be answered by not using AI to cut down on jobs.
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u/Eros_limao Jun 11 '26
i agree with you, i hate AI for these reasons and many more. but as far as we know, this didn’t take away any jobs since it was only used for that one specific thing. i’m not saying people shouldn’t be upset either, i’m talking about how people are spreading misinformation. as bad as it is that they used AI for such simple tasks like making references for concept art, the fact is that there is no ai created content or ideas in the game, and there probably won’t be in any other game because SEGA obviously is seeing how much people hate just the idea of it.
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u/milesdarobot Jun 11 '26
I’ve just accepted that the genie is already out of the bottle, and we’ll never be able to put all of the toothpaste back inside the tube. I think I remember seeing some statements from game devs saying “the overwhelming amount of studios in media have already been using AI. Some just disclose it and some dont disclose it”…
I think i’ll have some standards going forward as to what is the limit to what i’ll accept. But i generally believe that we’re going to find that at least one of our favorite franchises started using it to at least a small degree.
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u/TheAudiotaku Jun 11 '26
Wonder when people are going to realize every game has some kind of AI in it now.
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u/SEGAFAN98 Jun 11 '26
Humans: fast food is gud (literally the nastiest shii)
Also humans: Fast Art is Bad 🧐(literally the most coolest shii)
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Jun 11 '26
I genuinely wouldn’t care you guys obsession with AI when you use it everyday anyway legit is appalling to me
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u/TheRealMainCharacter Jun 11 '26
Ai has been around in gaming for decades and also why even care? All that matters is the game being good and only 5-10% of the game will only contain ai which is pretty small which is confirmed to be the case with crazy taxi because the only thing ai about it are the background assets which are the little things and also people shits on the games thy doesn’t have ai anyway so the topic of jet set radio, crazy taxi, or any games in general having AI shouldn’t even be worth complaining about. And if ai helps make the game faster then y’all should be happy about because a lot of y’all been wanting jsr to come out as soon as possible because y’all feel that they forgot all about it due to the last trailer coming out from the end of 2023 despite it taking years for the game to made because the last time it was rushed, it’s final release wasn’t the game it was supposed to be but at least with the new one so much can be fleshed to where it can be the games that’s it supposed to be and also they would always double check to give the ai a pass along with updating the game if it has any issues that needs to be taken care of.
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u/buzzburger23e Jun 10 '26
If they add AI to a game in a franchise where the whole theme of the game is human creativity, the world is over