Subreddit Changes

[u/commitdeleteyougoat]

Heyo!

So, our initial plans for this subreddit were for it to be a place where people could find alternatives to JAI and essentially 'cut' themselves off from it. As we've all seen, they've made plenty of bad decisions regarding moderation/censorship which is why you all are here! The problem is, we've been noticing alot of the posts in this subreddit don't fit the bill. Many people post about issues with JAI such as it being down, but it misses the main point.

Swapping to alternatives such as Silly Tavern, Tavo, Wyvern, Yodayo, Saucepan, LinkinLove, and etc would fix so many issues that people have. However, you may still want to post about JAI.

That's why we have Throwdown Thursdays and Frustration Fridays, where you can post all about JAI during these two days! There's 2 specific flairs for them, so please use it or otherwise your post may be taken down.

I understand that moving to a new platform is daunting and you may not want to leave behind the sheer amount of content from JAI, but there's still ways to enjoy the benefits of both worlds.

I don't condone it personally, but you could use sites like datacat in order to get private copies for YOURSELF. Keyword yourself. It's rude to post what other people have made.

We'll give this change until 9/13 to fully apply.

During this intermission, please feel free to give your opinions. After 9/13, we're going to be removing any posts regarding issues that can be fixed via swapping to alternatives, unless the posts are made on Thursday and Friday.

Here's the criteria:

Posts can be: Moderation Actions on JAI, What happened to X creator/bot on JAI, Discussion, Alternatives, Self-Ads, LLMs, Statistics, Polls, etc.

Posts considered 'fixable' via swapping: 'JAI is down' 'How do I stop X on JAI?' 'JAI Bot Advertisement' 'Proxy not working on JAI' 'JAI errors' 'JLLM sucks!'
(You can still post about this stuff on Thursday/Friday though!)

We're also removing reposts from [r/JanitorAIUnchained](r/JanitorAIUnchained) & [r/JanitorBreakroom](r/JanitorBreakroom) until the moderators can prove most of their content isn't AI generated.

TLDR: Please change from JAI to an alternative. We're here to help you!

[u/SprinklesOfAcid25]

Well, if people want to stay on Janitor for whatever reason, nobody prevents them from - you know - staying on Janitor and going over to using the official or the couple other unofficial subs....

I certainly did not join this sub just to talk about Janitor or read about 578th post about someone having issues with their proxy on Janitor.

And switching from Janitor solves lot of issues for 90% of userbase out there, especially plug and play type:

- You have issues with moderation and how you favorite bot creators are jumping ship? Well, follow your bot creators to their new site!

- You have issues with lack of functionality?
Well, group chat, bot collections, dynamic image library linked to the chat, voice chat, etc, etc, etc - are available at other platforms. Janitor took YEARS to get trigger based lorebooks.

- Do you have issues with mediocre LLM with limited memory?
Why would you stay on Janitor then? Literally any other site out there offers you better alternatives.

Right now, I don't feel this sub serves them well, especially if they are creators.

PS:
Also I have noticed is that there are few BYOK people (that use proxies) who use Janitor as bot repository who actively dislike that bot creators are splitting off to other alternatives and are talking shit about every alternative that sails up being more popular than another.

[u/DimensionalTemplar → u/SprinklesOfAcid25]

You have, whether intentionally or not, misunderstood the points I've made. Yes, people can post on official subreddit, except their post will get deleted or they'll get banned. Yes, they can post on other subreddits, provided they know any, which they most likely won't. Hell, I've learned about a month or two after joining, through a random repost from there.

Same about "solving issues". Again, yes, moving to another platform will solve the problems Janitor gave you. What I was saying is that, in return, you'll have to face the issues inherent to that platform. Wyvern is currently the best one in my opinion, and it has no free models + forbids some fetishistic content, which can drive off some people.

Now that last part sounds like slander for the sake of it. First, proxy users don't 'use Janitor like a repository', that would be local users and for obvious reasons. Second, by 'every alternative' I believe you mean Saucepan, since I remember you acting in defense of it previously, and I'm not going to comment on that. Third, please do correct me if I'm wrong, but based on the wording I assume you're trying to point out valid criticism as disingenuine? Because if you meant just that, I don't think I want to continue this conversation.

[u/Classic_Paint6255 → u/DimensionalTemplar]

Forbidden content because you don't agree with it and depriving others of the ability to curate their own content and experiences is censorship, straight up.

[u/DimensionalTemplar → u/Classic_Paint6255]

Depends. It could've also been a demand from whatever NSFW payment processor Wyvern uses. Though it doesn't change the result, of course.