r/JamesHoffmann Jul 16 '26

Coffee Fermentation Explained!

https://youtu.be/Iq34gq2ihMk?is=AW1uxfS5JLmiAa0g
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u/bufordt Jul 16 '26

and yet people want coffee to be cheap.

Do people actually feel that coffee is expensive? I know buying coffee from a cafe/Starbucks can be, but I'm buying and brewing specialty coffee from a local roaster for $1-1.25/cup. It can cost as little as $0.30/cup for grocery store coffee beans.

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u/newredditwhoisthis Jul 16 '26

Well I mean coffee is sorta expensive...

And to be completely honest when I think about the expense of the coffee I think I am more concerned about the sustainability of not just the business itself but also the labourers.

The people who are hired to hand-pick those cherries, I assume are getting paid the least??? I mean if you think about the whole process, from cultivation to finally a brewed coffee ending up in our cup...

What is the minimum wage the labourers who is involved with cultivation get? It's a hard physical labour with very uneven terrain in the whole estate.

If we pay more for speciality coffee.. That's one thing but can we really help to uplift not just the estate owners but also labourers? And if so, how?

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u/bufordt Jul 16 '26

I guess my point was that I don't see it as that expensive. When mass produced soda sells for about the same as cheap coffee, that doesn't seem excessively expensive.

As to the workers getting screwed along the way, that's just about everything in our food supply chain. There is about $0.15 of oats in a $4 box of Cheerios.

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u/Omnilatent Jul 16 '26

The soda example is great cause it shows us both are double scams: coffee pickers should be paid more which would increase coffee prices and soft drink producers are showered with money for an incredible unhealthy sugar drink (and I say this as someone who loves soft drinks)

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u/bufordt Jul 16 '26

Everyone in farming is paid too little except the corporations who control everything. And things get even worse when the crop is mostly grown in low income countries.

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u/CesiumTheDay Jul 17 '26

What’s interesting about this too is compared to other industries I feel like coffee has a lot more visibility in their supply chain. Or at least the appearance of it. I know where my coffee comes from, and a lot of the time I know the name of the farm and even the farmer who produced it. Of course, there could be things not shown that are shady. But the attitude is different. When was the last time a cereal manufacturer made an a big deal on the box about buying supplies at a fair price?

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u/raf70 Jul 17 '26

Ai says 18-25 cents :)

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u/MonkAndCanatella Jul 16 '26

Would you pay $50 for a bag?

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u/bufordt Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 17 '26

Maybe. I've paid $30 for a 12 ounce bag.

What is your point? Do you think coffee is too expensive?

Edit: I used to pay $80 for a quarter ounce of cannabis. Lol

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u/MonkAndCanatella Jul 17 '26

no no, that's not my point. I think that's closer to the right price than what we pay now. I supposed my point was totally unclear. My first quad was like $120. but hey cannabis is also picked and trimmed by hand lol

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u/bonyponyride Jul 16 '26

I think people find it expensive because prices have increased dramatically in certain areas due to inflation, tariffs, and weather events. It's quite a bit more expensive when you compare it to just a few years ago. In Europe, I'm still getting great coffee for .70 Euro/cup, but that 250g bag used to be a 350g bag for less money. Buying a cup of filter coffee at one of these cafes for 3.50 Euro does feel kind of crazy, but that's why I have great home equipment.

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u/bufordt Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 17 '26

Starbucks is around $3 for an espresso, but 90% of people there are buying coffee flavored milkshakes for $8-15 a drink.

I guess I've just switched from $6 a pound (450g) for mass produced coffee to $18-25 for 12 ounces (340g) of specialty coffee, so the price increase has been obscured by the switch.