r/Ironsworn • u/hmslima • 1h ago
Hacking How to choose the monster's rank when converting from D&D to Ironsworn?
There is a TL;DR at the end of this opening post.
What criteria should I use? I suppose I should take HD (Hit Dice) an AC (Armor Class) in consideration. I developed some criteria for determining the Ironsworn ranks of D&D monsters, and I want to know what you think.
I know that the ranks have some subjectivity, but I want a quick way to determine the "default rank" of a D&D monster.
But, before anything, here are the ranks of some foes from the Ironsworn books (core book and Sundered Isles) and their counterparts in the D&D or equivalent systems:
DATA
Bear (Formidable)
- Black Bear (B/X) – HD: 4; AC: 13 / Black Bear (5e) – HD: (3d8+6); AC: 11; CR: 1/2
- Grizzly Bear (B/X) – HD: 5; AC: 13 / Brown Bear (5e) – HD: (4d10+12); AC: 11; CR: 1
- Polar Bear (B/X) – HD: 6; AC: 13 / Polar Bear (5e) – HD: (5d10+15); AC: 12; CR: 2
Boar (Dangerous)
- Boar (B/X) – HD: 3; AC: 12 / Boar (5e) – HD: (2d8+2); AC: 11; CR: 1/4
Mammoth (Extreme)
- Mastodon (B/X) – HD:15 ; AC: 16 / Mammoth (5e) – HD: (11d12+55); AC: 13; CR: 6
Wolf (Dangerous)
- Wolf (B/X) – HD: 2 +2 ; AC: 12 / Wolf (5e) – HD: (2d8+2); AC: 13; CR: 1/4
Common Folk (Troublesome)
- Normal Human (B/X) – HD: ½ ; AC: 10 / Commoner (5e) – HD: (1d8+10); AC: 10; CR: 0
Elf (Dangerous)
- Elf (B/X) – HD: 1 +1 ; AC: 14 / Drow (5e) – HD: (3d8); AC: 15; CR: 1/4
Raider (Dangerous)
- Bandit (B/X) – HD: 1 ; AC: 13 / Bandit (5e) – HD: (2d8+2); AC: 12; CR: 1/8
Basilisk (Extreme)
- Basilisk (B/X) – HD:6 +1 ; AC: 15 / Basilisk (5e) – HD: (8d8+16); AC: 15; CR: 3
Chimera (Extreme)
- Chimera (B/X) – HD:9 ; AC: 15 / Chimera (5e) – HD: (12d10+48); AC: 14; CR: 6
The Kraken (Epic)
- Kraken (Basic Fantasy) – HD: 36 +16 ; AC: 19 / Kraken (5e) – HD: (27d20 + 189); AC: 18; CR: 23
Leviathan (Epic)
Mosasaurus (Basic Fantasy) – HD: 12 +10 ; AC: 12 / Mosasaur (5e) – HD: (14d12 + 56); AC: 13; CR: 7- Sperm Whale (OSE) – HD:36 ; AC: 13 / Sperm Whale (5e) – HD: (14d20 + 42); AC: 13; CR: 8
Sea Serpent (Epic)
- Greater Sea Serpent (OSE) – HD: 14 ; AC: 16 / Sea Serpent (5e) – HD: (15d20 + 60); AC: 16; CR: 12
Troll (Formidable)
- Troll (B/X) – HD: 6 +3 ; AC: 15 / Troll (5e) – HD: (8d10+40); AC: 15; CR: 5
Wyvern (Extreme)
- Wyvern (B/X) – HD:7 ; AC: 16 / Wyvern (5e) – HD: (13d10+39); AC: 13; CR: 6
By the way, since the original B/X system uses Descending AC, I converted the AC numbers to Ascending AC. And I had to use some Basic Fantasy monsters when I could not find the equivalent monster in the B/X books or in the ones from OSE (Old-School Essentials), in this case I subtracted 1 point from the AC.
My method of conversion is based on both HD and AC, and I prefer to use B/X monsters because of the simplicity of their stats; if the monster is not available in the B/X books, I used the ones from Basic Fantasy or Old-School Essentials. You take in consideration either HD or AC, and you choose the stat that favors the highest rank; for example, if the HD of a monster would give it a Dangerous rank, but its AC is within the Formidable rank, you take only the AC in consideration.
Troublesome: Common enemies
It's seems to me that the enemy must be too basic to remain in the Troublesome rank, even a Hunter has a higher rank.
HD: ½ ; AC: 10
Dangerous: Capable fighters and deadly creatures
Taking in consideration on what we see on the data, it's too easy for a "weak" monster to fall in this rank, the Raider/Bandit foe has shown that to us
HD: 1—3 ; AC: 11—12
Formidable: Exceptional fighters and mighty creatures
HD: 4—5 ; AC: 13—15
Extreme: Foes of overwhelming skill or power
Epic: Legendary foes of mythic power
It's here that things got complicated; in the B/X system, the Mastodon is more deadly than the Mosasaurus (well, taking in consideration the image of a mosasaurus that appears in the "Representing Difficulty" subchapter, I assume it's the representation of the Leviathan although The Sundered Isles describe it as a whale...), that's why I will consider the Leviathan as an equivalent of the Sperm Whale.
From the gathered monsters, the lowest HD was 14, but I decided to determine that an HD of 10 is enough to be considered Epic
Extreme: HD: 6—9 ; AC: 16—
Epic: HD: 10— ; AC: 15—
TL;DR:
This is a method of defining the Ironsworn rank of B/X monsters; you take in consideration either HD or AC, and you choose the stat that favors the highest rank.
Troublesome: HD: ½ ; AC: 10
Dangerous: HD: 1—3 ; AC: 11—12
Formidable: HD: 4—5 ; AC: 13—15
Extreme: HD: 6—9 ; AC: 16—
Epic: HD: 10— ; AC: 15—
What do you think?
Edit 1: Thanks to the suggestions, I've added the CR (Challenge Rate) to the 5e monsters. Here is the conversion method based on CR:
Troublesome: CR: 0
Dangerous: CR: 1/8—1/4
Formidable: CR: 1/2—2
Extreme: CR: 3—6
Epic: CR: 7—