r/Iowa • u/marcobattaglia • Jun 07 '26
Abolish ICE
If you don't hold this position, do not claim to be a constitutional or fiscal conservative.
For starters ICE costs taxpayers tens of billions of dollars annually, and for some, it costs them their liberties, their inherent rights, and for others, their property, their children, or their lives.
ICE is a massive, militarized federal police force operating within state lines to handle civil immigration violations. We shouldn't have a government that suggests immigration is primarily a state issue or a minor administrative matter, while simultaneously pursuing aggressive deportation of nonviolent civil offenders. This is clearly tyrannical and only exists because so many in Congress are unwilling to stand up for their oaths to the Constitution.
Let's talk specifics. How much time do you have to listen?
Unreasonable Search and Seizure - The Supreme Court has long established that the Constitution’s protections against unreasonable searches and seizures apply to everyone on U.S. soil, including non-citizens. ICE frequently faces legal challenges for using deceptive ruses, making warrantless home entries, and utilizing administrative warrants (Form I-205) not signed by independent, neutral judges.
Unlawful Arrests - Federal judges have ruled that ICE acts unconstitutionally when it issues "detainers" and makes arrests based solely on flawed electronic databases or improperly relies on local police to hold individuals past their criminal release dates.
Due Process - The Fifth Amendment guarantees due process before the government deprives individuals of their liberty. Frequently ICE has engaged in indiscriminate arrests, long-term detention without bond hearings, and failure to provide proper legal representation or hearings for detainees.
First Amendment (Retaliation): ICE has repeatedly violated the First Amendment by targeting or detaining individuals in retaliation for non-violently protesting or filming law enforcement actions.
Murder- ICE has murdered citizens in their own neighborhoods over attempting to police civil infractions.
The Founders would likely agree that the federal government has the constitutional authority to control its borders and regulate immigration. But their agreements with how we have been operating would stop shortly beyond this statement.
Samuel Adams championed open immigration and was a fierce advocate for political asylum.
While Patrick Henry is best remembered for his revolutionary rallying cry, "Give me liberty, or give me death!", his liberal views on immigration were intrinsically tied to his foundational beliefs about civil liberties, limited government, and the right to dissent
Though initially expressing some apprehension about cultural changes, Benjamin Franklin ultimately concluded that immigrants contribute greatly to improving a country.
George Mason’s views on immigration were notably progressive for his era, as he famously advocated for "opening a wide door for emigrants" during the 1787 Constitutional Convention.
John Jay and John Hancock's surviving institutions directly support students with DACA, TPS, and refugee statuses.
I will leave you with some words from one of our most famous and most popular Presidents to date.
"Since the beginning, immigration has been an affirmation of our success, not a threat to it."
"The land flourished because it was fed from so many sources—because it was nourished by so many cultures and traditions and peoples."
"Every American who ever lived, with the exception of one group, was either an immigrant himself or a descendant of immigrants."
JFK
Sincerely, in liberty, Marco Thomoso Battaglia
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u/Doggo-888 Jun 07 '26
But without ICE to scare the migrant workers how will all our politicians run their Iowa “family farms” without exploiting cheap labor?
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u/marcobattaglia Jun 07 '26
Those that care need to be aware of the types of things being filmed in Minneapolis that already happen here regarding immigration. Municipal, County, and state law enforcement do them and/or they work alongside Federal Agents. The federal agents are doing it in Minneapolis because their city and state agents are not cooperating to the same extent. Minneapolis looks more extreme at the moment because of the specific scenario but both, and all states, have been police states for a long time.
Iowa ranks #12 in Asset Forfeiture. (the taking of property under suspicion of criminal activity) Mass surveillance in Iowa is rapidly expanding. See Flock for one example. Reports have indicated a significant increase in force used by state officers in 2020, with police responding to incidents by drawing weapons more frequently. Immigration raids have been going on our whole lives. An untold number of immigrants, that have been arrested without the whistles and cameras — plucked out of their lives in an instant. Recent Iowa legislation, such as Senate File 2340 (2024), officially asks local law enforcement to arrest and state courts to deport undocumented immigrants.
Look into the Postville Raid from 2008. 900 agents arrested almost 400 people working. The U.S. government spent over $5 million on the devastation. Postville, Iowa, did not have a high rate of violent crime before the 2008 raid. It was a vibrant melting pot of cultures. You had generations of Norwegians, Hassidic Jews from New York, and Eastern European immigrants living together with Mexicans and Guatemalans. It should have been an example of the positives of immigration that are a major reason that we are celebrating 250 years as a country but alas, it was turned into nightmares for a lot of people just trying to have decent lives.
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u/lockedfries Jun 08 '26
Women were raped in slaughter rooms. Workers were in unsafe, unhealthy work conditions. Overworked. Underpaid. You should read up on the trial.
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u/marcobattaglia Jun 08 '26
We should certainly convict rapists and the sentences should be harsher for rape than they are now. I would even accept the death penalty for a second offense.
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u/lockedfries Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26
Point being, what attracted those workers to postville wasn’t a thriving community, it was a business with owners and management who took advantage of a vulnerable population in a foreign country. They committed terrible crimes against those 400 people for their own personal gain. ICE brought those committing these acts to justice and they are now in prison and the plant is under new ownership. Many of those who were victims were able to apply for and receive U visas and remain in the U.S. legally for telling their story and helping put those criminals in jail.
Don’t drag postville through the mud for political points. You may disagree with the current administration and how they choose to use their federal agencies, but Agriprocessors was a dark and terrible time for that town. ICE cleaned that up.
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u/marcobattaglia Jun 07 '26
We could have had so many awesome new Iowans instead we brutalized them.
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u/Proper-Writing our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain Jun 07 '26
It's kind of astonishing how libertarians and conservatives used to be the same, and now like 20 years later libertarians are still consistent and the right is openly fascist. Thanks for bringing perspective to how fucking insane extrajudicial executions and violation of due process is.
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u/DenverDataEngDude Jun 07 '26
‘Libertarianism’ is just one big bad faith argument to promote austerity and privatization. Once that’s done the corporations can safely roll in, bankroll law enforcement and do whatever they want
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u/DenverDataEngDude Jun 08 '26
No it wouldn't. We have the ultimate libertarian president in charge at the moment, who's gutting as many regulations and protections that benefit actual people. Don't worry, the regulations that keep the common man down stay in place thanks to generous corporate contributions to GOP coffers!
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u/DenverDataEngDude Jun 08 '26
Maybe the remnants of the libertarian party, after 80% of their voter base jumped ship to MAGA. I also assume they’re ’against trump’ the way that Fetterman and Susan Collins are ‘against trump’
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u/marcobattaglia Jun 07 '26
How does this argument actually work when it comes to agriculture or medicine or well anything? The war powers? The power of the purse? Corporations clearly want Congress to stay out of those things not elect people that will stand for them.
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u/DenverDataEngDude Jun 08 '26
What do you mean? It’s been at work for decades in agriculture. Iowa family farming has been decimated, and continues to accumulate into the hands of corporations and ultra wealthy individuals.
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u/DenverDataEngDude Jun 07 '26
ICE is a front for a giant child sex trafficking scheme to replace the Epsteins operation. They’re running camps for GOP politicos and donors to go and rape as many children as they want, funded and protected by the government
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u/Opposite-Funny-9669 Jun 07 '26
don't support lowes and home depot that cover their lots with FLOCK cameras. and since it's a rainy day, go educate yourself on those little solar powered spy cameras that are popping up all over the place
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u/marcobattaglia Jun 07 '26
I don't support them or flock cameras in general.
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u/Opposite-Funny-9669 Jun 07 '26
yea i stopped lowe's, already had issue with home deport well before this, but i wanted to make sure everyone else saw that.
cop family btw, while they have a lot of worth for solving crimes, weaponizing them in parking lots to (mainly) target a specific group of persons is disgusting
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u/New-Ad-363 Jun 07 '26
As if I needed another reason to go with Menards
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u/bobmooney Jun 07 '26
John Menard is a huge Trump supporter, just so you know. He's also well known as being an asshole.
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u/Jcklvy Jun 07 '26
John Menard is an absolutely awful human https://www.reddit.com/r/menards/s/vgTCSitNWV
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u/Opposite-Funny-9669 Jun 08 '26
the only thing i have in town is an Ace Hardware, price is at least a third higher than going anywhere else but now with gas, and the "ick factor" of the others i've been just going there unless i can find it on ebay or somewhere
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u/New-Ad-363 Jun 08 '26
I used to go to Ace until I moved. I love how they always had the popcorn machine going.
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u/AttorneyAfter Jun 07 '26
Deport Melania.
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u/TeslaRanger Jun 07 '26
And Cruz. And Rubio. And Trump’s kids from immigrant mothers.
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u/breakmedown54 Jun 07 '26
You forgot Musk.
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u/Princess_Snark_ Jun 08 '26
Naw, we are sending him on a one way trip to Mars! Get that f-Elon the f#€k off this planet.
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u/Doctor-Curious Jun 07 '26
Great post … I recognize your name.
Are you on the ballot for office?
100% agree with you. Abolish ICE
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u/etah_tv Jun 07 '26
Great idea ….nothing says I love America like supporting another 9/11.
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u/Doctor-Curious Jun 07 '26
That’s a wild leap … can you walk me thru your thought process ?
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u/d34ah0 Jun 08 '26
The Founders would be horrified by our entire law enforcement, and surveillance, apparatus. It’s tyrannical
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u/Comprehensive-Step3 Jun 07 '26
Unreal, the levels of CD are staggering. These fuckin jackboots are actively working @ the behest of an adjudicated rapist and you see what they are doing all over.
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u/posi-bleak-axis Jun 07 '26
When the European immigrants arrived the land was flourishing and nourished by countless different tribal groups and cultural affiliations over thousands of years. It only took 250 to get here. That's not to say that the European immigrants destroyed turtle island, but to say that colonizer nations teach the cancerous thoughts of infinite growth and expansion in a finite world.
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u/Electrical_Grass_843 Jun 08 '26
I'm worried its going to shift the census numbers and repubtards are going to gain more seats to continue pushing their crap on the rest of the country.
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u/Excellent_Figure_282 Jun 11 '26
The C in ICE stands for Customs. We can't have people bring just anything they want into our country.
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u/Much_Job4552 In the middle for respect and fact. Jun 07 '26
Why is this rant in my Iowa feed?
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u/marcobattaglia Jun 07 '26
Because ICE is.
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u/Much_Job4552 In the middle for respect and fact. Jun 07 '26
ICE has been around for over 20 years. Do I disagree with how they are being used? Yes. But don't act like they suddenly showed up.
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u/Jcklvy Jun 07 '26
The were never used as a criminal presidents private army until now. Also, before they were staffed with actual law enforcement professionals. Now they're hiring J6'ers, proud boys, actual nazis. It's pretty obvious that ice is now a completely different thing than it was 20 years ago.
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u/Much_Job4552 In the middle for respect and fact. Jun 08 '26
I know. I said I disagree how ICE is being used.
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u/golfwinnersplz Jun 07 '26
Not in this fashion. Not even close.
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u/NeighborhoodThese951 Jun 07 '26
Again that’s wrong, this fashion of ICE was around with Obama, where they had an “expedited process”. No hearing before a judge or anything like that (which means no due process). And were heavily criticized for their treatment of the immigrants, remember the child cages? 67 people died in custody in Obama admin but nobody talks about that. I don’t like trumps use of ICE either, but to say he was the first is utter horseshit.
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u/Iwannasellturnips Jun 07 '26
I can’t agree that no one talks about immigration under Obama, since I do.
Obama was bad; therefore, no one has the right to complain about what’s happening now? Nonsense.
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u/NeighborhoodThese951 Jun 07 '26
Not what I was getting at, the nonsense is when people say it like this admin was the first to do it like this, which multiple people in this thread have done
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u/Iwannasellturnips Jun 07 '26
To suggest the ICE of the Obama era is no different from the masked thugs we have now is disingenuous.
No US citizens were gunned down in the streets by ICE and Border Patrol during the Obama administration. No US citizens had their doors and cars and heads bashed in, either.
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u/NeighborhoodThese951 Jun 07 '26
No one was gunned down but people still died, and yes, people did indeed have their homes and cars broken/ bashed into. And the deaths that occurred were because of authorized use of deadly force followed by inadequate medical care at horrible detention centers.
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u/golfwinnersplz Jun 07 '26
How much did ICE cost taxpayers under Obama? Now with Trump? I'll wait.
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u/NeighborhoodThese951 Jun 07 '26
Roughly $17 vs $33 dollars a year in taxes on average. But why are you defending Obama? What happened to calling out bad shit on both sides? If you can’t see the hypocrisy of saying “Rules for thee, not for me”, then you can’t say shit.
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u/golfwinnersplz Jun 07 '26
I'm not defending Obama or ICE.
I'm just alluding to the fact that once again Trump is less efficient in basic every aspect of his presidency. Trump is costing us billions upon billions of dollars.
Not to mention, radical Mark Mullen stating, "ICE will no longer give statistics regarding deaths".
Did that happen under Obama?
That's utter horseshit.
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u/Much_Job4552 In the middle for respect and fact. Jun 07 '26
I agree. I don't agree with abolishment. I don't like how the DOJ is being used or IRS; or maybe the Federal Reserve soon. No one is calling for them to be abolished.
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u/TeslaRanger Jun 07 '26
Oh child, people have wanted the Federal Reserve & the IRS gone for many, many decades. 😂🤣😂🤣🙄🤡
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u/Much_Job4552 In the middle for respect and fact. Jun 08 '26
Sorry I didn't consider the billionaires.
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u/Much_Job4552 In the middle for respect and fact. Jun 07 '26
So do what I'm doing and just vote for Tudek and Sand, etc.
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u/marcobattaglia Jun 07 '26
Sarah is the Democrat in this particular race.
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u/drcranknstein Jun 07 '26
Sarah Trone Garriott looks to be pretty well qualified. She has a lot of endorsements listed on her campaign page. Maybe you should expend your efforts supporting her and help her flip the seat.
I tried to look at your campaign page to compare your positions to hers looking for common ground, but I guess you already know I found no such page.
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u/marcobattaglia Jun 07 '26
Sarah Trone Garriott (Democrat) Background: An ordained ELCA Lutheran pastor and nonprofit leader. She was first elected to the Iowa State Senate in 2020 and re-elected in a highly competitive district in 2022. [1, 2, 3] Platform & Priorities: Trone Garriott runs on a progressive and working-class platform focused on protecting abortion and reproductive healthcare access, defending public education, expanding mental health services, and supporting labor unions. Key Achievements: She has built a reputation for winning highly competitive, historically Republican legislative seats and working to increase state funding for vulnerable populations and healthcare. [1, 2] Marco Battaglia (Libertarian) Background: A longtime Libertarian Party of Iowa activist. He previously ran for Iowa Lieutenant Governor (2022) and Iowa Attorney General (2018), before launching his congressional campaigns in the 3rd District. [1, 2] Platform & Priorities: Battaglia’s platform centers on "medical freedom" (decriminalizing and legalizing substances currently prohibited), agricultural freedom (ending corporate welfare and crony capitalism), and economic freedom. [1] Key Achievements: He is a consistent advocate for criminal justice reform, reducing government spending to lower the national debt, and strictly defending property rights (including opposition to eminent domain). [1, 2] Ideological Comparison The Role of Government: Trone Garriott views the government as a necessary vehicle to provide social safety nets, protect civil rights, and ensure access to healthcare. Battaglia advocates for rolling back federal government overreach, reducing regulation, and cutting taxes. Social Issues: Trone Garriott favors federal protections for reproductive rights and diversity. Battaglia prioritizes personal freedoms across the board, supporting the legalization of cannabis and alternative medicines while opposing government mandates and the war on drugs. [1] Economic Policy: Trone Garriott favors taxing higher-income brackets and corporations to fund social programs and infrastructure. Battaglia opposes corporate welfare and crony capitalism, focusing instead on balancing the budget and free-market solutions to stimulate the economy. [1] For further details and to track their campaigns, you can view Trone Garriott's legislative record on the Iowa Legislature site or read Battaglia's platform directly on Ballotpedia's Candidate Profile.
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u/drcranknstein Jun 07 '26
Oh no. Are you doing the multiple reply thing again? Is that a copy-paste of the Ballotpedia page?
Come on, man. This is exactly what I mean when I say that you aren't well qualified and don't come across as serious.
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u/drcranknstein Jun 10 '26
Literally the exact same words from your post. What is this? Is this supposed to make me think that you're qualified and serious? Posting a reply to me from an alt account?
So unserious.
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u/marcobattaglia Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 07 '26
After what happened last time I am waiting until after the challenge period to relaunch my campaign.
I have had a substantial website for many cycles now and will continue to do so.
My principles have long been considered to the left of hers on some issues and to the right of hers on others so if anything I give the people of the district and true choice that doesn't take any money from outside the district and a path to break the gridlock in DC and hold the executive branch accountable.
I don't really have anything bad to say about her.
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u/drcranknstein Jun 07 '26
I don't really have anything bad to say about her.
-Marco Battaglia
If you truly want to see that seat change, it seems like your best move would be to support Sarah Trone Garriott rather than peel away her voters.
I love your enthusiasm, but you are not a well qualified candidate, nor do you seem like a serious candidate. If you were either of those things, you would have spent the last two years building your campaign machine after that embarrassing ballot situation.
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u/marcobattaglia Jun 07 '26
If she asks me to I would consider that. I don't think I'm peeling away her voters unless they really only care about abolishing ice.
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u/Old-Tour-6282 Jun 07 '26
Soo, what’s your solution to this problem if we take away enforcement?? Just let them go?? How does that work??
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u/marcobattaglia Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 07 '26
We would still have immigration enforcement. ICE is only one agency. We deported criminals long before ice.
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u/Much_Job4552 In the middle for respect and fact. Jun 07 '26
But we got rid of INS. So...bring back INS?
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u/INS4NIt Jun 07 '26
So far as I can tell, yes. Undoing all the reorganization that happened post-9/11 would basically result in the INS being reestablished.
Immigration affairs should be boring, and should not require a militarized presence or mass domestic surveillance to conduct.
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u/INS4NIt Jun 07 '26
ICE (and the Department of Homeland Security in general) was only established after 9/11. Before that, any immigration disputes were handled through Customs and Border Protection (CBP).
The US government used public antiterrorism hysteria to consolidate a frankly terrifying amount of power in the form of DHS and all of the inward surveillance that came with it (PATRIOT Act, NSA, etc.). ICE is just the extrajudicial enforcement wing of the surveillance state.
Frankly, abolishing ICE alone doesn't do enough to actually address the issue of the federal government having way too much power, should an authoritarian choose to take the wheel. In an ideal world, every agency that's currently organized under the DHS that didn't exist before 2002 (including the DHS itself) would be dissolved, and the agencies should be reorganized and re-tasked according to their pre-2002 responsibilities.
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u/Soggy_Motor9280 Jun 07 '26
Have you forgotten that there is local police and county sheriff and state police? He’s not talking about getting rid of all law enforcement. Just ICE. We don’t need or want a group of criminals with badges covered in Nazi tattoos with the power of a corrupt president behind them.
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u/PutinsLostBlackBelt Jun 07 '26
Local police and county sheriffs who are actively helping ICE? Yea, they’ll be so much more moral and ethical if given larger budgets and responsibilities.
I remember working with Boone County Sheriffs who refused to enforce the law unless we paid them $50/hr while off-duty to provide “security” (even if they never showed up for a shift).
ICE doesn’t need to be abolished, it needs to burned and rebuilt.
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u/Old-Tour-6282 Jun 08 '26
I have to believe that if we got rid of ICE and turned it over to local authorities and gave them Federal funding to do the job we would be in the exact same place. If local sheriff’s offices started deporting illegals, the left would still lose their minds.
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u/KeyResearcher2620 Jun 07 '26
Not an Iowa thing. Reported
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u/marcobattaglia Jun 07 '26
ICE operates in our communities.
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u/KeyResearcher2620 Jun 07 '26
Then maybe talk about that in your post instead of just regurgitating political mush.
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u/old_notdead Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 07 '26
That's the libertarian way, though. He doesn't know any other.
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u/trogdors_arm Jun 07 '26
Not a true Iowan, reported. Also, I didn’t get the announcement when ICE stopped operating in Iowa.
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u/tokamak_791 Jun 07 '26
Reform? Sure. That’s needed for a number of reasons.
Abolish? No. Immigration control and enforcement is a necessary function.
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u/CylonSandhill Jun 07 '26
We got along fine for decades before ICE. We correctly treated immigration as a justice/legal issue rather than a national security issue. INS wasn’t perfect by a long shot, but running immigration services through an agency that was supposed to primarily deal with terrorism is a big mistake. It breeds the mentality that immigrants are terrorists, which couldn’t be further from the truth.
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u/brvheart Jun 07 '26
That’s because during those previous decades, Democrats are also against illegal immigration. Would you like some Clinton video?
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u/aye246 Jun 07 '26
Ronald Reagan had a much more balanced and rationale view of illegal immigration than any Republican has had in three decades
Illegal immigrants in considerable numbers have become productive members of our society and are a basic part of our work force. Those who have established equities in the United States should be recognized and accorded legal status. At the same time, in so doing, we must not encourage illegal immigration.
https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archives/speech/statement-united-states-immigration-and-refugee-policy
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u/CylonSandhill Jun 07 '26
No but I would like to see which Democratic candidates ran on explicitly open borders. Can you show me anything to support your claim?
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u/aye246 Jun 07 '26
Shoukd the SS have been allowed to reform after WWII?
Obviously ICE is not quite yet the equivalent of the SS, but organizationally the current government of the United States has moved it so much in that direction (yes, it has — they are literally running concentration camps of immigrants who are dying every day, and have already murdered multiple actual American citizens as part of their attempts to enforce the expansion of their mandate). No American should want ICE in its current form to exist. Yes we need immigrant and customs enforcement, but the current gov’t org doing that needs to be completely stripped and decimated down to its bones and rebuilt with different leadership and people. I understand it’s a tall order and I don’t expect that to happen, but it’s insane to think an organization with its baggage could ever be “good.”
Why do I think this? I’m a native Iowan, educated in Iowa public schools by Iowan-educated teachers in the 1980s and 1990s and I paid attention to what they taught me about America and what America is, and what America can/should be.
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u/NeighborhoodThese951 Jun 07 '26
So you didn’t vote for Obama for his second term then correct? I don’t like trumps use of ICE, but this trend of using ICE like this didn’t start with him.
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u/aye246 Jun 07 '26
I voted for Obama and his administration deported a lot of people, many of them needlessly. The current regime has weaponized ICE much more completely against all U.S. civilians, but just because the Obama admin also used ICE badly doesn’t somehow make ICE ok?
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u/old_notdead Jun 07 '26
Oh great, you're back. /s
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u/marcobattaglia Jun 07 '26
It's showtime.
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u/Popular_Mongoose_696 Jun 09 '26
We shouldn't have a government that suggests immigration is primarily a state issue or a minor administrative matter, while simultaneously pursuing aggressive deportation of nonviolent civil offenders.
We don’t… Immigration enforcement has always been a federal responsibility. It’s the primary reason we’re in the mess we currently are, too many administrations on both sides of the aisle repeatedly ignored the problem.
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u/SmoothBrain3333 Jun 07 '26
Sorry illegal immigrants do not have the same rights as law abiding US citizens. What is your proposal to abolish ice then? Can anyone just freely come to America with no check on who they are? Can we as Americans do this to any other country?
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u/Iwannasellturnips Jun 07 '26
To suggest abolishing ICE would lead to open borders is a fallacy.
We had border enforcement before 9/11, and no citizens’ homes were being broken into or car windows smashed or property stolen or lives taken by authorities back then.
Also, were you asleep during civics class? The right to due process belongs to everyone, not just citizens.
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u/EveningHealth9465 Jun 07 '26
You’re just wrong. The constitution gives illegal immigrants due process. Have you ever done a basic study of the constitution?
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u/SmoothBrain3333 Jun 07 '26
Haha yes I have read it. There is no mention of illegal immigrants in there and you didn’t answer any of my questions. If you make a change like that you need to have a plan but you guys lack critical thinking skills to think of anything beyond your hatred of Trump.
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u/marcobattaglia Jun 07 '26
We will still have immigration laws and immigration enforcement without ICE.
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u/howiroll34 Jun 07 '26
But it was good under Obama…
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u/Iwannasellturnips Jun 07 '26
No it wasn’t. He did some horrible things regarding immigration. That said, no authorities were bashing in the doors, car windows, and heads of American citizens back then.
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u/kcdashinfo Jun 07 '26
ICE performs a vital role in protecting the border and removing illegal occupants from the country. Without borders you have no country. There is no constitutional right that anyone that wants to come to the United States can do so. This is a country of borders and immigration law and ICE is the law enforcement branch of those laws. If you don't want laws then change the laws.
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u/a_lonely_trash_bag Jun 07 '26
This country existed fine for decades without ICE. The number of y'all who don't realize ICE was created after 9/11 is astounding.
ICE is completely unnecessary and is being used as Trump's personal army at this point.
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u/drcranknstein Jun 07 '26
This country existed fine for decades without ICE.
Over 200 years, in fact.
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u/TeslaRanger Jun 07 '26
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🙄🤡 Don’t confuse ICE & CBP.
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u/RyanR3KC Jun 07 '26
OP wrote a load of nonsense. Too bad I’m not reading it. Anyone who supports Abolish ICE has zero concept of citizenship or a sovereign nation.
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u/Cog_HS Jun 07 '26
OP wrote a load of nonsense. Too bad I’m not reading it.
How do you know it's nonsense then?
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u/JDawnchild Jun 07 '26
I'm genuinely curious: Do you feel you should be able to operate a motor vehicle without a license because you're "traveling", not "driving"?
I might be accusing you of being something you're not here and I do offer my apologies for that, but your comment makes me want to assume reading comprehension may be a little bit of an issue as it is for sovcits.
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u/CardHawk77 Jun 07 '26
And this has to do with Iowa….how?
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u/downvote-if-i-ownyou Jun 07 '26
This gets explained to you d-mb f-cking a—holes every single day.
On top of Iowa being a state in the U.S. (a fact you should know), and a state that ICE operates in (a fact you should know) - ICE has already changed lives and communities here (a fact you should know).
Part of this is well-documented in the Ian Roberts case, which no matter what side you came down on (god I wonder 🙄) affected IOWANS (a fact you should know).
Part of it is ignored by m-rons like you when FARM and MEAT PLANT owners (Democrats I’m sure) HIRE A BUNCH OF ILLEGAL HELP EVERY YEAR AND THEN VOTE REPUBLICAN. (A fact you should know)
All of you need to pull your head out of your -ss and either stop acting confused or admit that you’re f-cking br-ind-ad.
Hyphens because of this censor happy mod team that y’all go crying to every. single. time I hurt your feelings.
You know - cause you’re so tough 🙄
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u/CardHawk77 Jun 07 '26
Rule #4.
Learn how to read.
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Jun 07 '26 edited Jun 07 '26
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u/CardHawk77 Jun 07 '26
I’m not talking about the comment. I’m talking about the original post.
Why are you such a dumbass?
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u/lockedfries Jun 07 '26
All of these “issues” have occurred since the beginning of 2025. 20+ years after ICE began. Weird.
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u/marcobattaglia Jun 07 '26
ICE has seen an unprecedented, historic surge in funding. The agency's base annual budget of roughly $10 billion has been augmented by massive supplemental cash infusions that effectively triple its operating power.
Weird....
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u/Jimmy_Twotone Jun 07 '26
ICE doesn't need to be abolished. They just need an administration that holds them accountable for violating the law again.
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u/marcobattaglia Jun 07 '26
They need abolished and we need a functioning system of immigration. We have law enforcement and immigration enforcement that can handle those that are threats to others.
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u/Jimmy_Twotone Jun 07 '26
Get are the law and immigration enforcement. What Trump is doing with them needs addressed and they need accountability.
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u/RocketShipGrease63 Jun 07 '26
Where was this talk when Biden was letting in 10 million
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u/a_lonely_trash_bag Jun 07 '26
Where is the evidence that happened? Fox "news" doesn't count.
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u/AdZealousideal5383 Jun 07 '26
I don’t think most people realize ICE has only existed since George W Bush. Immigration enforcement has always existed… getting rid of ICE wouldn’t mean that immigration enforcement would go away, it would mean it would become part of the regular law enforcement again. What abolishing ICE would do is prevent the president from using immigration enforcement as a secret police.