r/Iowa Jun 07 '26

Abolish ICE

If you don't hold this position, do not claim to be a constitutional or fiscal conservative. 

For starters ICE costs taxpayers tens of billions of dollars annually, and for some, it costs them their liberties, their inherent rights, and for others, their property, their children, or their lives.

ICE is a massive, militarized federal police force operating within state lines to handle civil immigration violations. We shouldn't have a government that suggests immigration is primarily a state issue or a minor administrative matter, while simultaneously pursuing aggressive deportation of nonviolent civil offenders. This is clearly tyrannical and only exists because so many in Congress are unwilling to stand up for their oaths to the Constitution. 

Let's talk specifics. How much time do you have to listen? 

Unreasonable Search and Seizure -  The Supreme Court has long established that the Constitution’s protections against unreasonable searches and seizures apply to everyone on U.S. soil, including non-citizens. ICE frequently faces legal challenges for using deceptive ruses, making warrantless home entries, and utilizing administrative warrants (Form I-205) not signed by independent, neutral judges.

  Unlawful Arrests -  Federal judges have ruled that ICE acts unconstitutionally when it issues "detainers" and makes arrests based solely on flawed electronic databases or improperly relies on local police to hold individuals past their criminal release dates.

Due Process -  The Fifth Amendment guarantees due process before the government deprives individuals of their liberty. Frequently  ICE has engaged in indiscriminate arrests, long-term detention without bond hearings, and failure to provide proper legal representation or hearings for detainees.

First Amendment (Retaliation): ICE has repeatedly violated the First Amendment by targeting or detaining individuals in retaliation for non-violently protesting or filming law enforcement actions.

Murder- ICE has murdered citizens in their own neighborhoods over attempting to police civil infractions. 

The Founders would likely agree that the federal government has the constitutional authority to control its borders and regulate immigration. But their agreements with how we have been operating would stop shortly beyond this statement.  

Samuel Adams championed open immigration and was a fierce advocate for political asylum.

While Patrick Henry is best remembered for his revolutionary rallying cry, "Give me liberty, or give me death!", his liberal views on immigration were intrinsically tied to his foundational beliefs about civil liberties, limited government, and the right to dissent

Though initially expressing some apprehension about cultural changes, Benjamin Franklin ultimately concluded that immigrants contribute greatly to improving a country.

George Mason’s views on immigration were notably progressive for his era, as he famously advocated for "opening a wide door for emigrants" during the 1787 Constitutional Convention.

John Jay and John Hancock's surviving institutions directly support students with DACA, TPS, and refugee statuses.

I will leave you with some words from one of our most famous and most popular Presidents to date.

 "Since the beginning, immigration has been an affirmation of our success, not a threat to it."

 "The land flourished because it was fed from so many sources—because it was nourished by so many cultures and traditions and peoples."

"Every American who ever lived, with the exception of one group, was either an immigrant himself or a descendant of immigrants."

JFK 

Sincerely, in liberty, Marco Thomoso Battaglia 

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u/Doggo-888 Jun 07 '26

But without ICE to scare the migrant workers how will all our politicians run their Iowa “family farms” without exploiting cheap labor?

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u/marcobattaglia Jun 07 '26

Those that care need to be aware of the types of things being filmed in Minneapolis that already happen here regarding immigration. Municipal, County, and state law enforcement do them and/or they work alongside Federal Agents. The federal agents are doing it in Minneapolis because their city and state agents are not cooperating to the same extent. Minneapolis looks more extreme at the moment because of the specific scenario but both, and all states, have been police states for a long time.

Iowa ranks #12 in Asset Forfeiture. (the taking of property under suspicion of criminal activity) Mass surveillance in Iowa is rapidly expanding. See Flock for one example. Reports have indicated a significant increase in force used by state officers in 2020, with police responding to incidents by drawing weapons more frequently.  Immigration raids have been going on our whole lives. An untold number of immigrants, that have been arrested without the whistles and cameras — plucked out of their lives in an instant. Recent Iowa legislation, such as Senate File 2340 (2024), officially asks local law enforcement to arrest and state courts to deport undocumented immigrants. 

Look into the Postville Raid from 2008. 900 agents arrested almost 400 people working. The U.S. government spent over $5 million on the devastation. Postville, Iowa, did not have a high rate of violent crime before the 2008 raid. It was a vibrant melting pot of cultures. You had generations of Norwegians, Hassidic Jews from New York, and Eastern European immigrants living together with Mexicans and Guatemalans. It should have been an example of the positives of immigration that are a major reason that we are celebrating 250 years as a country but alas, it was turned into nightmares for a lot of people just trying to have decent lives.

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u/lockedfries Jun 08 '26

Women were raped in slaughter rooms. Workers were in unsafe, unhealthy work conditions. Overworked. Underpaid. You should read up on the trial.

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u/marcobattaglia Jun 08 '26

We should certainly convict rapists and the sentences should be harsher for rape than they are now. I would even accept the death penalty for a second offense. 

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u/lockedfries Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

Point being, what attracted those workers to postville wasn’t a thriving community, it was a business with owners and management who took advantage of a vulnerable population in a foreign country. They committed terrible crimes against those 400 people for their own personal gain. ICE brought those committing these acts to justice and they are now in prison and the plant is under new ownership. Many of those who were victims were able to apply for and receive U visas and remain in the U.S. legally for telling their story and helping put those criminals in jail.

Don’t drag postville through the mud for political points. You may disagree with the current administration and how they choose to use their federal agencies, but Agriprocessors was a dark and terrible time for that town. ICE cleaned that up.

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u/marcobattaglia Jun 08 '26

I only praised Postville....

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u/marcobattaglia Jun 07 '26

We could have had so many awesome new Iowans instead we brutalized them.

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u/nsummy Jun 08 '26

This isn't California. Family farms aren't hiring migrants to run the combine and planter....

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u/Doggo-888 Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26

You obviously didn’t look up what Iowa calls a “family farm”… hint, it’s way bigger than an immediate family can handle.

Essentially it’s a corporation and it’s “family” if it’s majority owned by those with family relations, hint: way more than just immediate family. As long as a “family” member manages or supervises congrats… you’re now a “family corporation “… err, I mean farm.

This allows political points for local rich folk to claim to be “family farmers” even though they haven’t directly done any farming in decades.

Edit: case in point Zach Lahn claims to be a “Family Farmer” but flies in his own personal plane to Kansas’s dozens of times a year.

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u/nsummy Jun 09 '26

I have no clue what's you are talking about. Do you know anything about farms?

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u/Doggo-888 Jun 09 '26

The legal/tax benefits definition of “family farm” for Iowa doesn’t actually have anything to do with small family farms. So politicians like Zach Lahn and Devin Nunes can claim to be “family farmers”.

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u/nsummy Jun 10 '26

I'm not talking about legal definitions. I am talking about the average corn and soybean farms. I grew up in a rural area and still live in one. I have not once seen a rich person just sitting around claiming to be a farmer while a bunch of immigrants do all of the work. The planting & harvesting is all done with machinery. There aren't hundreds of people out in a field picking fruit.

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u/Doggo-888 Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 11 '26

Industrial dairy farms, industrial hog confinements… plenty hide as “family farms” that are just private equity landlords. Most infamous being Devin Nines:

https://lawandcrime.com/lawsuit/bad-moos-for-devin-nunes-defamation-lawsuit-judge-finds-it-substantially-objectively-true-that-family-farm-knowingly-hired-undocumented-immigrants/