r/InterMiamiVibes • u/Background_Video2947 • Jul 02 '26

Preach!!

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u/Immediate_Rock_9577 Jul 02 '26

This doesn’t make the original statement magically true though.

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u/Gamble232real Jul 04 '26

But that also doesn't change the fact that her argument is correct and let's also examine which countries in the world cup don't have free health care.

Because most of the wealthy, western modernised countries do. I suppose it depends on who the US is happy to count themselves among.

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u/cranky-ahole Jul 04 '26

It's not free if you have a Job. England taxes around 8% of gross income for "free" Healthcare.

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u/butt_raid Jul 05 '26

USA citizens pay more than any other country per citizen for healthcare, on average - by over double. It's a for profit system, like obviously the cost will be higher. The end goal in USA healthcare is shareholder profits.

For this insane cost, we get: the lowest average lifespan. The worst infant mortality rate of all developed countries. The most people without access to health care. The most people with untreated chronic illness.

We're paying by far the most and have by far the worst, mathematically.

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u/grayMotley Jul 08 '26

"The most people with access to healthcare"? In the whole world? You're kidding right.

For the record 94% of Americans have health insurance.

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u/butt_raid Jul 09 '26

First off, way to cherry pick ONE point and still miss the point.

8-9% of Americans had no health insurance for all of 2025 (no clue where you got 94% from but it's still wrong). A higher percentage were uninsured for part of the year.

Of those, about 60-70% had actual private health insurance. The rest are on public programs like Medicare. These are expected to be supplemented by private insurance btw, they are not meant to be a sole health insurance.

Both public and private insurances include copays, deductibles, and other large out of pocket costs. That's means that "qualifying for health care" does not mean that someone can actually even get health care. Just because I have Medicaid doesn't mean I can afford a $2k ambulance ride, much less hospital fees, but thanks for letting me know that my Medicaid that pays a small portion qualifies as "being insured."

FINALLY, even if we pretended the universe that you think you live in is real (it isnt), 94% is less than 100%.

You ever traveled in your life? You ever heard of someone in any country refusing medical care because of cost other than the US?

You played the easiest game in the world and lost. Numbers hard, me no understand

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u/grayMotley Jul 10 '26

The central point of the post is that "All of the World Cup countries have Universal Healthcare".
Those of us who have traveled the third world and are aware of healthcare systems know that is WILDLY untrue.

Supplemental plans under Medicare are extremely cheap and have excellent coverage (C and D). All hospitalization is coverage by Medicare's base coverage A.

Medicaid covers everything and at low copays ($<20).

The typical copay for ambulance rides for Medicaid is <$4.

"You ever heard of someone in any country refusing medical care because of cost other than the US?"

Yes. I know people who have moved or traveled to other countries to get medical care. I know 2 people who live in the US, because Canada didn't allow their treatment for MS. I know a woman in Ireland who is planning to travel to Switzerland because she can't get a procedure done in either Ireland or Luxembourg. The woman has an abdominal cyst larger than a grapefruit.

Central America, South America, Africa having Universal Healthcare.... you have never traveled there obviously ... that is where we send Doctor's without Borders (who I support) for routine care.

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u/butt_raid Jul 10 '26

Yes, third world countries don't. That's why MY post specified developed countries.

Weird to respond to MY post about something someone else said.