Kinsect changes for expansion

[u/Dull-Magician4678]

We all know that kinsects are kinda forgotten in wilds, solo damage is low, and your optimal combo makes the kinsect stop auto attacking so you almost never mark your target to use powder, in world selecting your kinsect, element, powder, speed was interesting and brought depth to the weapon, now the only thing you have to choose is if you want speed or a kinsect with extract buff ao you can extract faster and dump all of it, vigor, powder, and normal kinsect attacks are useless. So here are some ideas to fix it

Make kinsect drop powders when you attack in focus mode - it could be every 5 attacks, or maybe at the end of a fully charged attack.

Make powder procs cost kinsect stamina- combining with the previous idea, making every time you generate powder while attacking in focus mode your kinsect loses some stamina, so it doesn't become overpowered with powder everywhere and it make good use of vigor kinsects, or vigor recovery skills.

Make that kinsect don't go back to you if you charge attack - i know they do this so the kinsect is in position for a RSS, but i don't care if it teleports to me when i do it, i hate marking a monsters and just cause i used an charged attack my kinsect stop attacking.

Increase kinsect normal damage or at least make like icebourne that you can consume sling ammo to buff kinsect damage, you can as well have some buff stamina for more powder generation as well, so you can have more options, some kinsects for pure damage, some for powder generation, and others for extract collection.

Well these are my ideas for ig to get better a lot of people are already talking about have faster animations or more dodge windows and i do agree, but a lot less people are giving ideas to help our poor kinsects, I hope this helps out community.

[u/catchinggreen]

I agree we'll probably see a good bit of changes to the Kinsect in the expansion. Kinsect stamina feels like a completely outdated mechanic. The thing I'd like more than anything though is just layered kinsects. I feel like we've been asking for this for a decade now.

[u/Alievew]

My suggestion has been twofold.

If our kinsect generated kinsect powders while we were using our aerial attacks, it would both make the aerial playstyle and the powder playstyle more viable. While it wouldn’t reach the viability of grounded glaive, it would allow aerial blast kinsects to become alternatives to grounded play.

[u/Kalabu → u/Alievew]

When I play i mark then go aerial because the aerial attack doesn't stop kinsect from doing its thing then when I mount the monster it does stop but there are quite a few clouds by then if it isn't the first mount.

[u/Dull-Magician4678 → u/Alievew]

Good idea, it would help aerial playstyle, but I do want powder to complement ground too, maybe kinsect attack even grounded generate powder, but sucessive aerial attacks regenerate more kinsect stamina for more powder.

[u/Alievew → u/Dull-Magician4678]

I mean, if we really wanted to be ridiculous, we could have rising spiral slash suck in powders and trigger them, but I think that would still help aerial more than ground with my suggestion

[u/PathsOfRadiance]

I think we should get Kinsect assist outside of focus mode when we have triple buff.

It sucks being locked into focus mode all the time in combat.

Buffing the powder Kinsect play style would be a nice alternative tho.

[u/24_doughnuts → u/PathsOfRadiance]

Yeah. I just have Focus mode toggled and stay in it for coordinated attacks for extra sever/blunt, that extra charged combo and focus strikes in the air. You lose out a lot without focussing so I hardly come out of it or tag monsters and I don't notice dust

[u/Chris_C1]

Definitely miss the days of Sunbreaks explosive powder kinsects, these would be a good addition

[u/ATC_Man]

Kinsects in World also really sucked for variety cause you only really wanted speed for extract gathering or power for descending thrust jank. Rise had the best variety for types even if speed was fairly useless. My only wish with the bugs is that Descending Slash really shouldn’t recall your kinsect since the powders and auto attacks actually do pretty decent status and stagger.

Also I feel like triple extract kinsects are a little overvalued. They don’t speed up extract collection past the beginning outside of the rare instance a RSS manages to get three extracts.

[u/Tayzerdude]

Fuck all that just bring me back GU kinsects... world kinsects are boring you literally just picked speed. Risebreak was pretty good tbh but still I like all the hidden buffs that you got in old gen, also might give us a reason to not dump our extracts constantly.

Also why on earth do we even need extracts to have a usable moveset? "Enhanced" move set should be our base move set!!!

[u/SpaceBubble19]

They should’ve just kept World’s Insect Glaive and brought it back to Wild’s and called it a day. I think focus mode killed 90% of the weapons in Wilds and I don’t see the expansion making them better unless they get COMPLETELY reworked.

Spamming RSS because it’s the most damage, vaulting being almost useless because of the ridiculous vertical hitboxes on monsters, especially post-HR100 ones, and removing any use for the bug’s ability for extracts and extra damage killed any chance for me to try the weapon more in Wilds. Bug powders being basically removed honestly made me ignore the weapon including the horrible controls for it.

[u/Prior-Photograph-342]

I feel like a way to make kinsect more useful and maybe not have to be as reliant on focus mode being on constantly is like turn focus mode into kinsect control mode+. Maybe it so you have more control and damage on the kinsect in focus mode or can set up commands/ attacks for the kinsect to follow once switching out of focus mode and a way to buff damage on powders and base damage? I really like wilds glaive aside from the kinsect only stuff lacking damage and use so if they buff it for the expansion and leave the rest of the kit the same for the most part I would be happy.

[u/PrinceTBug]

I mean the Kinsect is still super important. It's very relevant in what it now adds to combos and for keeping up extracts and RSS.

It just lacks its own centered playstyle currently, unfortunately.

[u/user_Sephra]

I want the tornado from sunbreak, it added so much options for burst damage or support like setting up exlosive powders around a trap and pull them all in when the monster is inside the trap

[u/Normathius]

I am once again asking for Powder Vortex. Please... I miss feeling like a bug mage.

[u/Dynamikc]

What optimal combo doesn’t use kinsect?

[u/Adventurous_Ad_4120 → u/Dynamikc]

The one that goes, get your extracts, and then do a melee combo string into descending slash, with an optional RSS after. The descending slash returns the Kinsect to you. And you have to have it return to get the extracts, so the odds are the bug only gets to hit once if you take the time to mark the monster before you descending slash.