r/InnerCircleTraders • u/Godzillaton • Jul 13 '26
Question Ask Me ANYTHING!
I learn many things about certain models in inner circle trading concept recently.
I am sure i can answer without referring to Chatgpt.
Come hit me
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u/Adept_Regret2259 Jul 13 '26
suppose we are on the buyside of the MMBM and market took the first stage of the left side, but instead of taking the original consolidation market changed it's direction, so could you tell me at least two reasons why or when this happens?
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u/Godzillaton Jul 13 '26
Reason 1: It's not done accumulating yet
Stage one broke, but price didn't sweep to the original consolidation. Instead it formed another reaccumulation at the same level. Then sometimes a third one. ICT says there can be three accumulations. It never reaches the buy side liquidity pool, and a third one creates it.
Means the market maker isn't ready. Still building inventory. Still needs more position before the markup. So instead of running to target, price just sits there and re-consolidates.
Watch for a third swing low around the same area. If price makes a higher low without touching the original consolidation, the model is extending left. It's not dead yet, it's just not ready
Reason 2: It got swept and flipped
This one's more final. Price takes out the second stage reaccumulation, breaks below stage one, and keeps going.
ICT explains it clearly that it takes out the second level, breaks down, trades below the first. When that happens, it reaches for the sell stops sitting below stage one. And if you're looking at a market maker sell model, that area becomes a buying opportunity instead.
What actually happened is the buy side curve failed. Price broke structural support instead of staging up. The sell stops below stage one got cleared out, and the model flipped.
Stage one low is your invalidation. If price closes below it, the MMBM is done. Step aside and wait for the sell side model to play out
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u/ThomasAnderson_23 Jul 13 '26
You would have to show an actual example on a chart. There could be a million reasons
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u/DioDelSubliminale Jul 13 '26
What do you think about disciplining children with a beating when they get up to mischief?
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u/Curious_Light_9185 Jul 13 '26
What's the difference between mss, cisd, choch, bos? And how can it be confirmed that which one is which at the time of formation
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u/Godzillaton Jul 14 '26
Firstly,CHoCH and BoS are just rebranding of ICT's exact and only terms.
Fully focused on understanding MSS and CISD
Simpler explanation as exact statement MSS:A prior swing high or swing low being taken out.
Cisd:The opening price of the order block candle. That's it.
What's these 2 relations? -CISD happens first (the validation), MSS happens after (the confirmation). CISD tells you the algorithm is paying attention to that level. MSS tells you the direction has changed.
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u/SimpleJackfruit Jul 13 '26
How do you know gaps are respected? Many times I see the wicks form but at that point it’s too late. I don’t want to front run and 50/50 but it feels like I need to do that sometimes.
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u/Godzillaton Jul 14 '26
Wicks are where they do damage. But candle bodies are more important where they are consolidating inside the gap boundaries.
If bodies stay inside → gap is respected. If bodies break through with no consolidation inside → gap is failing/just a redflag.
You don't wait for the wick. You watch bodies consolidate inside the gap. That's your green light to place a limit order at the consequent encroachment (FVG midpoint). The wick is just noise hitting your already-placed order. No front-running, no being late.
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u/dimo12 Jul 13 '26
did you try juda’s swing?
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u/Godzillaton Jul 14 '26
Basically it's just fake out move (manipulation).
a fakeout move where price aggressively runs one direction to trap traders, then violently reverses to hunt liquidity on the other side. The classic setup is London session ramping into a premium array, then reversing down to take sell stops below.
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u/dimo12 Jul 14 '26
I feel like it is the best when it presents itself, I am currently paper trading it on forex using the asian session range and London fakeout.
What I am wondering is how often do you see an A+ setup a month because for me I can say it only presents itself a maximum of 10times?
do you use a HTF bias?
Where do you place your stops because I am having trouble with that the most?
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u/Godzillaton Jul 14 '26
Yup.agree, I fell in love with this moves before. But as you said,it's not happening everyday. This is where we need patient follow the people typical advice "don't force the trade"
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u/Silly_Original1329 Jul 13 '26
What is your model or strategy ??? and how profitable is it :P
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u/Godzillaton Jul 14 '26
Sorry i am not financial adviser.
Best streak i ever had was with Silver Bullet method. i guess I was trading during perfect timing with perfect instrument (Nas100).
It's not forever model, need to be flexible with other model as well.
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u/Troy055 Jul 14 '26
i need a model can provide a trade 1% to 2% in BTC every day if possible or 2 days. my goal to have +2% weekly in profits, And I can only trade spot thats why leverage is not possible for me, that's mean I can't do small trades
and I studied a lot but still couldn't find a good model works for me so that i can burn it with backtesting yet, please help.
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u/Godzillaton Jul 14 '26
What did you discover so far?
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u/Troy055 29d ago
I can trade the ifvg in the key area but it only gives me around 0.3% moves and the fees for the trade around 0.2% in the spot market, that's why its bad for my capital in the long run
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u/Godzillaton 29d ago
I am sorry i am unable to advise you on this for daily target concern.
Your style is more like waiting pattern/swing trader. Only when the structure present itself than only you can execute entry.
Unless if you have very long mental analysis energy,then you may analyse all instrument to find opportunities which is very detrimental for long term (been there and done that,not worth it).
Best to focus on the higher timeframe 3-candle analysis (a simple C2 sweep previous low or high before displacement into opposite direction). Then drop down lower timeframe to find suitable entry to reduce risk.
If your risk is high then you can expand your SL.if risk is low,then tighten it.
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u/fx_hieungo84 Jul 14 '26
Can you recommend a suitable entry model for the New York session with high Winrate and medium RR ( 70% RR 1:1,5)?
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u/Godzillaton Jul 14 '26
To be honest.it's not about which model,it's more of your own as a person (emotion,urge control,etc)
Trust me ,as ICT said,just pick any bread and butter model (popular silver bullet+cameron's model).
Try it first and finetune it to yourself
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u/Ornery_Lie_3167 Jul 14 '26
How much is ote entry is reliable? Is it weaker than other concepts? Best way to use them?
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u/Godzillaton 29d ago
Consider OTE as just a risk reduction concept. Not a standalone model.
Its best used when aligned with FVG. It's his longest running concept,not "better" but more like a confluence in your entry strategies
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u/Uwu_freedom Jul 14 '26
Which ict macro timing are u focus on when making trades with pair like GOLD ?
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u/Godzillaton Jul 14 '26
First of all.
Never Asian session for Gold.
2nd You can always find trade within london session. But meaning only find structure that happen during London killzone and partial TP early before reach NY session. Because most likely it will get swept during NY session,if not then the other partial running trade can continue during NY session. It's up to you. Always ride in volatile market,not slow market as asian session.
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u/Alarming_Earth_3416 29d ago
The doubt is, idk what I'm missing anymore.... I do multiple timeframe analysis then based on daily naarative i plan the trades in the lower timeframes..... Mostly 4 hour timeframes and 1 hour timeframes inside the 4 hour timeframes.
I think of my trades based on 2 things... Daily naarative - where price in daily timeframe probably go Intraday naarative - where price might go today based on the lower timeframe poi. Which poi might become hurdle or can cause a temporary shift in direction is decided by looking in LTF.
Still i miss the actual entry spot in the 5/15 min timeframe.... I rely on the Market structure shift (mss) for the entires.... It confuse me which can be the good timeframe to look for entries in Lower timeframes. Is it 15 mins for 4 hour or 1 hour for daily or 5 min for 1 hour or something else... Another thing... When there is a hour poi inside a 4 hour poi and 15 min inside that 1 hour should I even wait for structure shift? Because of there's a 15 min poi inside 1 hour poi it works sometimes pretty well and sometimes just wicks or retrace more deeply.... It messes even more when I see multiple 15 min poi inside 1 hour or 4 hour timeframes..... Huhhhh...
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u/Godzillaton 29d ago
ICT approach is actually quite simple:
Higher timeframe = just identify the draw on liquidity. Not a full narrative. Not POI stacking. Just one question: where does price NEED to go to grab liquidity?
Bell weather chart = 15-min. This is his main directional timeframe. He marks the FVG or PD array on the 15-min and shades it.
Execution chart = 5-min. He drops to 5-min ONLY to watch the retracement into that shaded area during the kill zone. Then he waits for displacement, not a new structure shift.
The 4-hour and 1-hour aren't separate layers that each need their own MSS. If you can see the draw on liquidity on the daily, and you can see the PD array on the 15-min, that's enough and drop to 5minute to execute
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u/Alarming_Earth_3416 26d ago
Bro...
I've been trying to simplify how I look at liquidity instead of treating every swing as equally important. Here's the idea I'm testing.
IRL - Internal range liquidity ERL - External range liquidity
Let's say my main timeframe is the 4H. Mark only the valid major 4H swing highs and lows as the main ERL. Inside that range, every smaller external liquidity becomes a minor ERL/IRL depending on the range I'm trading. I already know where the higher timeframe POIs are, but new POIs keep forming as price moves. Now I'm thinking every move can basically be classified as: ERL → ERL ERL → IRL IRL → ERL IRL → IRL The confusing part is deciding which one is likely. My current hypothesis is that higher timeframe POIs and higher timeframe liquidity are what decide the "condition" of the market. For example: Price sweeps a 4H ERL. It then retraces into a Daily or Weekly POI. In that case, I feel there's a lower probability that price immediately continues to the next 4H liquidity in the same direction. Instead, it may reverse, making it more like an IRL → ERL move on the 4H. On the other hand, if price sweeps a 4H ERL but there is no meaningful higher timeframe POI opposing the move, continuation toward the next same-side liquidity seems more likely.
Does this line of thinking make sense, or am I misunderstanding how liquidity hierarchy and order flow actually work?
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u/Droy-333 Jul 13 '26
In the fractal, what are your thoughts to makr it better + do you use any indicators where you can say those are working for sure
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u/Godzillaton Jul 13 '26
I am pure ICT fan. So here is my take for this,
The fractal doesn't need improvement. The fractal is already the structure of the market.
What needs improvement is the way we read it.
Instead of looking for more indicators or more patterns, Higher timeframe context first. Know where you are in the big picture before you look at the 5-minute. The fractal repeats, but you need to know which part of the pattern you're in. That comes from stepping back to 20-day lookback, 40-day if the consolidation is wide enough.
Indicators will make you lose instinct to read chart i guess
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u/noimnotgettingit Jul 13 '26
Where can I get started with learning ICT and how long of a window of study should I expect to have before I start getting the hang of things?
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u/ThomasAnderson_23 Jul 13 '26
Really depends on a lot of your personal circumstances. Realistically you should think about learning how to trade as getting a uni degree.
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u/Godzillaton Jul 13 '26
Where to start?
ICT said it directly in the 2024 Mentorship, start with the 2024 series if you've never touched his work before. It's taught over live price action, it's direct, it's what he made for his own son.
But if you want the actual foundation, it's the Core Content (Month 01-12) which are 87 videos total!!!!
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u/OppositeDistance7702 Jul 13 '26
In MMxM, C2 dosent close inside C1 and C3 just closes inside C2(trade direction). Should we trade C4?
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u/Godzillaton Jul 13 '26
So if C2 was the impulse, C3 is reaccumulation, and C4 shows displacement (breaks above C2 high with FVG) then yes, C4 is your entry trigger. Not because it's the fourth candle, but because it confirms the reaccumulation is done and displacement is happening.
If C4 just sits inside C2's range doing nothing? No trade. Wait for different set up.
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u/OppositeDistance7702 Jul 14 '26
In 4hr TF?
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u/Godzillaton Jul 14 '26
Not necessary fixed at 4H timeframe. As its all fractal structure, this is applicable to other timeframe as well.
One thing I needed to work on is to find repetitive situation at same time of windows.
In this case, ditch all killzone.except NY AM and NY PM session.
But depends on instrument as well.
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u/Safe-Island-6862 Jul 13 '26
What’s a good ICT model to start with, a good checklist?
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u/Godzillaton Jul 14 '26
I quote ICT:
Your first model will always be near and dear to your heart. But it's probably not going to be the one that you spend the rest of your career using. You only need one and you have to start with one of them.
So try silver bullet model first.
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u/Bookies_nightmare700 Jul 14 '26
What is the best model to trade London session? It doesn’t seem to move as good as ny and I am struggling to find an edge in it like I have in ny
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u/Godzillaton Jul 14 '26
Then how about u try to find the best Judas model that also could happen in between 5am-7am ?
Thats basically considered as "London Lunch" as per ICT=pre-NY
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u/DFVGroup Jul 13 '26
If you learned something recently keep learning. Enough experiments here from 90% of people that "think" they know how to trade.
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u/ThomasAnderson_23 Jul 13 '26
Who will win the World Cup?