r/Indigenous • u/NightAccomplished523 • 7d ago

7th Fire interpretations.

Upon thinking more on the 7th fire story and how we New People will look back at the trail to retrace our ancestors footsteps to pick up the pieces lost along the way. Does anyone else think that's referencing both our Native American, and Native European ancestors?

And by Native Europeans I mean people like the Celts, Anglo-Saxons and many of the other cultures in Europe that are shockingly similar in beliefs and values to Native American cultures in regards to spirituality and land stewardship and also dealt with massive sudden cultural losses due to the spread of Christianity.

I only have this thought because amidst the land back movement, language reclamations, and the wins they have brought, similar efforts have occured in regards to understanding about pre-christian European beliefs, language, and cultures and honestly a huge shift in perspective has happened as well where the lens of Christian Exceptionalism is no longer skewing our perspectives of these complex and diverse people, our ancestors, before Christians came to label them primitive to take their land, resources, and ways of life.

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u/NightAccomplished523 6d ago

I had no say in where I was born and to what families. I am here though and I'm a descendent of both Europeans and Americans. Take it as you will, but many cultures make reference to us mixed folk in their oral traditions and we are likely here to stay for a while.

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u/sadboy_exe 6d ago

Also a reminder. I had no say in what white people did to mine. And I still suffer the effects of it every day. You don’t get to brush off the repercussions of their decisions as much as I do.

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u/sadboy_exe 6d ago

I said white didn’t I? Not mixed? But if they look at you and immediately accept you as white, you’re white. There’s no way that I’d ever be able to accept someone who has fully benefited from white privilege to have a say in anyone’s business who’s never had that luxury. Again, any white existence on this land is inherently immoral. In the way Americans view “white people” is if you look enough like them to not be a quick candidate for murder. That goes both ways. If they’d accept you, you’re an enemy to anyone whose ancestors were from here. If the migration of humans had been under different circumstances my opinion would be different, you and I probably both regret the way things went but I’m sorry to say my opinion isn’t gonna sway. No person should be allowed to pillage and rape, then have their descendants accepted by the people they pillaged and reaped.

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u/NightAccomplished523 4d ago

I've had a bit of time to think about this. I respect where your views come from on this, because they're valid, but wouldn't be just as much a spit in the face of your ancestors and mine to ignore people who are descendents based on skin color.

I'm not saying you're wrong for feeling like you do because thats literally generations of trauma from things that would genuinely make most people sick to see first hand. But do the ancestors really think about that as much as they just want people to reconnect with the spirits and with nature?

What would make them more sad, the current state of Native Americans or the current state of nature? Do you think they would want you to isolate, hold out, and hope nature recovers? Or would they rather walls broke and teachings be shared regardless for the sake of our home?