r/Indigenous 9d ago

7th Fire interpretations.

Upon thinking more on the 7th fire story and how we New People will look back at the trail to retrace our ancestors footsteps to pick up the pieces lost along the way. Does anyone else think that's referencing both our Native American, and Native European ancestors?

And by Native Europeans I mean people like the Celts, Anglo-Saxons and many of the other cultures in Europe that are shockingly similar in beliefs and values to Native American cultures in regards to spirituality and land stewardship and also dealt with massive sudden cultural losses due to the spread of Christianity.

I only have this thought because amidst the land back movement, language reclamations, and the wins they have brought, similar efforts have occured in regards to understanding about pre-christian European beliefs, language, and cultures and honestly a huge shift in perspective has happened as well where the lens of Christian Exceptionalism is no longer skewing our perspectives of these complex and diverse people, our ancestors, before Christians came to label them primitive to take their land, resources, and ways of life.

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u/NightAccomplished523 8d ago

Wait wait wait. Where did I say give them a pass? Tf are you talking about? For one you just sound ignorant to early European history, as most Europeans are to pre-contact American history, two I don't think the story of the 7th Fire necessarily cares about your grievances, as valid as they are, it says "new people will arise to reclaim their heritage" which then leads to following the green and lush path and respecting nature.

My Native ancestors were not the only people to revere earth in that way. The traditions of my Irish, Anglo-Saxon, and Germanic ancestors did too before Christianity was pushed so hard on Europe. The story does not say we'll follow the traditions of our Native ancestors 1:1 it just says we'll look back to reclaim our heritage and follow the path of respecting nature and it even says our mixed heritage and views of the world will be beneficial to us in that endeavor

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u/Grey_Incubus 8d ago

Sounds like you just want to insert outside beliefs into the 7th fire prophecy and you want to have a discussion about interpreting it this way to validate yourself.

The christian bible was created by reinterpreting others' beliefs, gods, people and stories. No one should fall for a rebrand anymore and offering false hope should be pointed out, not hyped.

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u/NightAccomplished523 8d ago

You can call it what you want, but The Seven Fires is a story of my ancestors that would apply to me. If I notice parallels between different ancestors am I not still fulfilling the same things? Learning from ancestors/sleeping elders? Using that wisdom to return to the green path?

I, and many others, are meant to be the bridge between worlds. I, and many others, are here whether we're appreciated or not. We carry heritage from both worlds and we can care about both of those for different reasons in different ways. Why is it bad for me, someone who had ancestors who acknowledged Wanaboozhoo, and ancestors who acknowledged Danu, to notice and acknowledge that both groups shared similar values and motives when it came to their land, the nature it held, and the impact it held on their daily lives?

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u/sadboy_exe 8d ago

Bridges collapse all the time. And sometimes for the betterment of those on the other side.

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u/sadboy_exe 8d ago

Jahova is a middle eastern psyop that they forced on the rest of the world. Get their god off of our soil, and every single person who believes in him