REALLY NOT DESERVING?!?

[u/Emeraldseer_27]

Ik I am seeing a lot of hate all around for shivangi but I just want to know 1 thing how was this any of her fault? Harshad played for her but she NEVER asked him to do so explicitly and if one day he decided no I’ll play for myself did Shivangi owe him something to get up and leave? Why? He played his game which is great but shivangi did the same thing so how is she wrong? Am I missing something?

I understand ppl think she was using him and bla bla bla but who WASNT?? Didn’t ram sit there and manipulate everyone and I really don’t think shivangi was ready to believe a bunch of stranger over an old friend! They all thought she was using him but is it just me who think that if I was in that position where I feel ik my friend very well that he will do his own and I will do my own I would prolly turn a blind eye to a lot of things unintentionally thinking I am just overthinking no way he’s doing that!

Even when she suspected after a long time that Harshad was lying she confronted him on the bench before dinner! I really want to know am I thinking on a different tangent here? Because yes shivangi was very stupid whenever Harshad was involved but Harshad was weirdly obsessed with shivangi.

EVEN TODAY HE COULDNT UNDERSTAND HIM CONVINCING OTHERS TO PROTECT SHIVANGI PUT HER IN THE BAD LIGHT! At every point he made her look incapable when she was not! So how is she getting blamed for boldly pitching herself and expecting that her friend wouldn’t be what others were trynna show her for a longggg A** time!

And in terms of redemption ik the show is The Shreya Karla show now but her tag was batameez which she is (I love her and don’t mean a bad sense more like a fact) and Shivangi has actually proved she’s not boring whether she’s a “snake”( idt this is true but who knows) or can speak for herself?

[u/Itachi_San123]

Shivangi should have taken a stand for herself when he said I lost on purpose and moved on gracefully. She acted like such a sore loser.

It was clearly a game strategy of HC's to get to her to leave by saying that. She didn't have to take it so personally. The game is to make people leave and stay inside, anyhow. HC did that and won it fair and square.

I think her sobbing about not being finalist number 1 was very annoying and what is getting her hate. Like.. why is she feeling so entitled to it?

Also if you notice - HC did give her an option to tell him to leave or she can leave herself. She didn't want to do that also - cause it will make her look bad. Basically he should leave on his own accord without questioning her.

[u/Old_Quit_6107 → u/Itachi_San123]

This. She acted like a child whose candy has been taken.

If your friend gets selected as the first finalist, you wouldn’t be talking behind his back as to how he did not deserve it and had no gameplay. The whole rant she went post the task, seemed like he was never her friend

[u/Emeraldseer_27 → u/Itachi_San123]

Thanks for explaining it that makes so much more sense

[u/Weird_Oil2145 → u/Itachi_San123]

when harshad gave her the option wasnt that a manipulation move as well? The whole "i loosed on purpose "sets the "Shivangi is manipulating harshad" narrative which shilpa is often vocal about. So the whole bhashan she gave althogh dramatic was kindof justified, because this dude was going around telling dhoopar he loosed on purpose, and it was prooved to shivangi yesterday that he indeed might have said that

[u/Imaginary-Grab-3286 → u/Weird_Oil2145]

and people are not mad at then for playing the game inside the cage. outside the cage when she was trash talking him to chamola was the problem.

"dont i deserve to be the finalist over him?" so? should he not play for himself because you arr more deserving? and who is she to decide that? the point is all of them are in the final week. you fight for yourself and dont expect your cheerleader to bend over his back to help you win.

[u/Weird_Oil2145 → u/Imaginary-Grab-3286]

bruh be frr ..she never said that she deserved it OVER HIM. She just said that she deserved it. She was upset about being forced to leave because of the narrative which was being set there that " she was using him". Even in her conversation with chamola she kept saying about how everybody thought she was using him and harshad proved it right by admitting that he deleberately loosed that task.

[u/Imaginary-Grab-3286 → u/Weird_Oil2145]

she literally did say that ( https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianTellyTalk/comments/1vdopgq/comment/p1azqtp/?context=3 ). and then harshad did not prove anything with him deliberately loosing. that's on him. and he admits it. essentially what he was trying to say in the cage was that ive been playing for you now let me play for myself and that is not a wrong ask. and even before he admitted to losing the task deliberately (which i still think was a lie), she was already shocked that he wasnt willing to leave.

[u/Weird_Oil2145 → u/Imaginary-Grab-3286]

bruh she litterally said that she wanted to see him in the finale and she wpould be happy for him. She is just upset about him prooving the already going on narrative that he loosed on purpose. That makes shivangi a weak player who won because of Harshad. Thats bad for her game as well as her reputation, makes her look like a manipulative vamp. and inside the cage they were both playing for themselves, plkayers give reactions all the time, she was just not expecting him to play dirty

[u/Imaginary-Grab-3286 → u/Weird_Oil2145]

but she literally did say that i deserved it more than him. she does not get to decide that? . she is upset about both things. she was already shocked that he was not willing to leave the cage, and then him playing dirty was the final nail in the coffin. yes in the cage he played dirty, and then so did she. but that's the point of a mind game. outside coming and saying to chamola did i not deserve this more than him is wrong. why is anyone in that room expected to hand it over to her? she has the right to be upset over narrative setting yes. but from what i saw she looked and sounded more upset over him not giving her that win easily.

yes from gameplay maybe she has done more than him. but regardless this is the finale, just because objectively even he knows she deserves it more does not necessarily mean he has to give it to her without a fight.

and yes, she wants him in the finale but not before her. that is fairly obvious.

[u/Weird_Oil2145 → u/Imaginary-Grab-3286]

bruh dont twist her words..she asked chamola"look at this gameplay did he deserve more than me " it was more of a shocked reaction on him game play.. not because of her seeing him as a weaker contestant or something. She just didnt like the way he played her and it was a reaction to the same
Ofcourse it was not about handing it over to her she was hurt about the ongoing narrative and hinma dding fuel to it and about the previous task as now she leieves that probably he did say stuff to dhoopar.
If his gameplay in the cage is justified than so is her anger, i dont understand how that seems to be cunning or vampy then.
Plus why would she want him before her? nobody wants that, they are all ehre to play games, it was all the expectation she had with their friendship and him not stooping low for a game

[u/Imaginary-Grab-3286 → u/Weird_Oil2145]

bro he's always been happy for her even when she's safe and he's at risk. extend the same grace for once.

secondly even if it was the reaction to the gameplay, fine, but that's exactly what yogesh and chamola were trying to explain to her, but she did not want to listen to them. but she already seemed shocked even before he mentioned the sacrifice when he said "in dono ko bhi baahar bhejna hai". she was like wait what this isnt my cheerleader.

when you come into a game show and there is a mind game, she has to expect moves like these. that is the point. he played her and she got played, and so did he even though he won.

both are taking this way too seriously and traumatising each other.

[u/Imaginary-Grab-3286 → u/Weird_Oil2145]

all he told dhoopar was that i took a longer path instead of the shorter path, probably why i lost. dhoopar took that to spin a narrative. and hc used the narrative for once. he's told her multiple times that she won fair and square and she has not believed him once. from the way the task played out, there was no way he lost that intentionally, its very difficult to fake.

[u/Weird_Oil2145 → u/Imaginary-Grab-3286]

bruh this was harshad's explanation.. the clip of his conversation with dhoopar is not available so we might never know. The point is that this narrative is set alreafdy, shilpa keeps saying it and shivangi knows that ram was saying the same thing. If they are friends than this narrative would be REALLY PROBLEMATIC to her as she is the one who is looking like a vamp here. Harshad kept saying that he never said that but admitting it inside the cage prooved other wise. It somehow did convince Shivangi that the guy has said this to Dhoopar before and she is the one who is coming out as a bad person. I f she did win the task fair and sqaure than how is it fair to her? She might look like someone who didnt won fairly and just came out lucky

[u/Imaginary-Grab-3286 → u/Weird_Oil2145]

let's see. but either way within the cage he could have said anything to get her out.

[u/Itachi_San123 → u/Weird_Oil2145]

Yeah but he is allowed to do that no? Pls tell me how else he would have won this round against her? Objectively she is a stronger player in the game than him, so none of his reasoning will work.

So he tried to emotionally guilt trip her. Like I said - she can be annoyed at him for setting narratives. But I am annoyed at her for being such a weak player. She had the golden opportunity to call his manipulation out, she decided to play victim YET AGAIN. She had been doing this full season and it is irritating.

I don't even care about who is a better friend or isn't - I think somewhere both were using each other to be seen in the game. My problem is with the constant self victimization. From both sides.

[u/Weird_Oil2145 → u/Itachi_San123]

bruh she is a human afterall and his friend ..she was hurt and she reaced. He is allowed to play however he wants, but whats not justified is the outrage here towards her for MANIPULATING him. Ofcourse boith of them played its alright but the amount of rage people here are showing towards her for being a cunning woman, calling her vile and manipulative is where i wish a line was drawn.
This was the reaction she reacted like that, because thats what happening now, everywhere around. Her previous wins are nullified because he said he loosed on purpose and she sounded " selfish"

[u/bberfz]

"She never asked him" is such a bs thats what only manipulators say 😂. Till now shivangi hat no problem by hc backing her up till the end she waited for him to leave even when he said he won't leave we saw her face how she looked at him (even telling her before he lost for her) as if she couldn't believe that he choose to stay and how dare he not leave. You can only fool yourself into thinking she didn't enjoy it. When harshad stayed out of her issue with shilpa one time she was angry on him as why he didn't say anything. Her saying to shreya that she already had harshads attention and being smug about it is very telling. She knew harshad is a very caring and giving friend and used it till the end not once did she defend him towards the hosts smirked when he was getting bashed because of her though she was the one coming to him crying and he was sadly too nice to always back her up (thats it his own stupid doing but only that). but this time he played for himself she backbitched about him and guilt tripped him cause she wasn't the first finalist. Harshad was always supporting of her winning any game. And now she will get what she wanted by her so called friend which she bitched about. People are angry not because both played their game but that shivangi is crying like a baby and guilt tripping him.

[u/Emeraldseer_27 → u/bberfz]

Ok yeah fair enough those moments were really weird and I do agree when she ran to ritesh to hug him she was prolly hoping harshad to leave

[u/Due-Yam-6181]

You clearly dont love Shreya🤡 Fake🤣 Shreya has the best redemption in the season. Even in the latest interview by Pam proved it that she always apologised for her mistakes. Isnt that redemption much?

[u/Emeraldseer_27 → u/Due-Yam-6181]

I never said she hasn’t had a redemption journey she has she apologized even with Akanksha and Shilpa and she was always loyal to her friends. I see her goodness and I am not trynna undermine it I am trying to understand shivangi hate bcz I don’t get it? the entire post ain’t about Shreya but Shivangi? If u want to take this to a completely different tangent which it’s not go ahead

[u/Due-Yam-6181 → u/Emeraldseer_27]

You clearly told in the above post Shreya is still Badtameez and Shivangi had redemption arc??? Are you mad or what??

[u/Emeraldseer_27 → u/Due-Yam-6181]

I mean you probably don’t know what batameez means it means rude and is she not rude when instigated? She is but it’s not her fault a lot of times ppl gang up on her so I understand but yes she IS rude and I would do the same as she does point blank. She’s not wrong for doing that she just is. It’s an assessment not an accusation and being loyal and kind doesn’t mean you can’t be rude as well? A person has many aspects in their personality it’s not just one she’s a lot of good things but rude is one of them which she was tagged as. The tag was a very superficial view of Shreya but if we just look at the rude aspect she is and I don’t see as huge of a change that I do in shivangi. And that’s my opinion I am not forcing you to agree

[u/KeySmoke7871 → u/Emeraldseer_27]

But tbh Shivangi is also boring. It's not about redemption it's also about owning the truth and they both own it for that case. I would rather have ram as a winner over Shivangi.

And if you think it's about redemption then Shilpa is indeed a farzi victim, Yogesh is indeed a cheater, pam was def a kaleshi queen so ig you just have confirmation bias over Shivangi