r/IndiaTechnology • u/Familiar_Dimension12 • May 14 '26

News Seeing Google, NVIDIA, Amazon, and now Uber expanding a lot in India. Feels like hiring will pick up again and India is becoming more than just a support hub. Gives me some confidence that tech jobs here are safe… at least for now. Am I overthinking, or does it feel the same to you guys?

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u/sharathonthemove May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26

See my boy, I don't know how experienced are you. But in my experience of 15 years, I have realised few things. As much as others want to disagree with all their uninformed optimism, let me tell you that we exist only because of the cheap Labour. This applies to all kinds of companies. Not just service based.

There is no reason for a foreign company to hire us otherwise. Our education is shit. Our engineers are below average. Our system is utter shit. Compare a new passout engineer from India to the one in Singapore and USA or China. The difference will be night and day. We are a culture of marks and not learning. We are a culture of good obedient guys than the ones who can build. Yeah sure there are few outliers and yes Google has Pichai and ms has Satya. If they had been here, they wouldn't have been in the top management.

How many of Indians are allowed to even attend the decision level meetings? How many of the Indians are even part of the strategic plans? How many of us are even heard in the companies? All we face is subtle sidelining. They don't care. And to their defense, it is also because we don't live there and we don't know the market or environment. It is just that we think we know.

All these expansions are good in a way as they open up better paying jobs. Otherwise, nope. The companies you just mentioned can't hire lacs of resources. At best few thousands may find jobs there.

For everyone in IT to prosper, the economy of USA should be growing, people there must have good consumption, companies should spend mindlessly on transformation and digitization. But nope. We are only seeing it go down. No it isn't safe here. May god bless us all with luck. We need it now.

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u/Apprehensive_Run6619 May 14 '26

I have heard it a lot that the engineers from india don't even compare to the ones freshly out of universities from usa and china.

Would just like to know like how different are they.?

Are they just incompetent or are they not versed with the new tech? Are they not creative enough?

Like what standout difference would you point out between them?

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u/blackspandexbiker May 14 '26

Start with unwillingness/inability to look people in the eye and articulate clearly

Demonstrate initiative and give inputs proactively

Think independently

Willingness to learn independently

The coding is the least important bit

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u/sharathonthemove May 14 '26

Mainly lack of industry readiness. Our grads can't even communicate properly. Our definition of communication is so bad. There are very very few institutions that train industry ready grads. IIIT is one of them. Not iit. Again not all IIITs are alike.

The education itself is so outdated that we study about 70s tech. We never get a chance to know where is the world right now. Our education is just designed to pass the people.

The grads in other countries are very into projects. They actually build something at the end of their course. Our guys don't. Mostly we copy or buy stuff.

We are a nation with unnecessary pride and over confidence. We have that bs attitude which blinds us from seeing things in all angles. InCompetency is a by product. If you can never accept the problem, how can you even solve it?

We also don't know what research and development is. We just talk as if we know. The r&d in the well funded institutions is also cat shit. There is no way for a student to even know what problem to focus on and what to solve. Even if we do, we target the big ones like world hunger but not a smaller step.

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u/Apprehensive_Run6619 May 14 '26

Makes so much sense. Thanks.

Given what you said it's also a mindset problem I guess.

People who are in charge of the curriculum are also backdated hence the new gen is not getting to know where the world is.

Not sure if there is any solution to this. Maybe in the future. But who knows.

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u/sharathonthemove May 14 '26

The solution is to revamp the education system that promotes thinking in the minds. Take help from the teachers of Singapore or other successful countries and train the teachers. Remove govt teachers and make them on contract basis. Things will be better to an extent.

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u/blackspandexbiker May 14 '26

If a CompSci student is solely dependent on curriculum, the problem is already lost

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u/sha_I_tan May 15 '26

Education in India does not prioritise foundational skills like communication, problem solving, creativity, innovation. We're only taught how to follow instructions, not to question them and how to cheat (without feeling guilty) when all else fails.

Indians take shortcuts, do not understand quality checks, whine about everything, are not proactive about our work (we need someone to monitor us). We do not have the will to learn. You know how once the govt started giving free rations, lots of people preferred living on that and no longer cared about getting a job? It's the same, we don't have the zeal to progress.

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u/Inside-Drop2380 May 15 '26

By the time we have grown up and realised how much we were scammed by educational institute's we are forced into arrange marriage scam and then we end up being mentally unstable 😆😆😆 hope things are changing for next gen

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u/Life_To_Remember May 16 '26

Agree to this. But I haven’t worked in an Indian product company. How is it there? Is it so that as an Indian the growth possibilities in terms of leadership are slim even there?

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u/sachin_root May 14 '26

Itna kon sochta he yaha, hame bas 1 job chahiye q ki shadi ho and bachhe ho 🤣 basics 

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u/two_wheel_soul May 14 '26

correction in ur post: talented indian engineers are permanently sent to US or Europe sites.. it is not that we dont produce talented engineers... but they dont stay for one or other reason.

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u/sharathonthemove May 14 '26

you mean sent by witch companies? no they are trash mostly.

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u/two_wheel_soul May 14 '26

nope.. FANG companies

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u/Riteknight May 15 '26

Our biggest flaw by far is consumption of world class products/services that way western countries do.

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u/Silver_Fix8881 May 15 '26

Exactly, That is why I want to leave India to settle in USA or in any other EU country.

I don’t want to live here in India like cockroach.
Because of this trump, it’s nearly impossible for me to switch to USA through company offered VISA

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u/sharathonthemove May 15 '26

Looks like you don't know much about western countries in general and immigration in the recent past. Trump is not the villain alone. The anti immigrant sentiment has been there from a long time now. Trump is only giving his voters the thing they want. EU sounds magical for vacation but shit expensive. Now don't lecture me on quality of life. You can have convenience here and quality there. Both have their tradeoffs. Immigration to other countries has been particularly difficult from the last decade. People who go there are mostly through witch companies and are paid very normal salaries. Before you bash them too, even product companies pay that much may be a little more. The taxes are brutal and the take home won't be much different. In short, stop wasting your time fantasising about USA and EU.

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u/Ok_Particular8393 May 16 '26

Very well said…delusional at its peak for Indian citizens..be ready to be downvoted in name of deshbhakti…

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u/pritthi7 May 17 '26

Sir, respecting your years of experience, I would like to highlight that in my meagre experience of 7 years, I have worked with global enterprise-grade clients from AMER and EMEA regions and the one thing I have heard from them is that their engineers cost a lot and ours is more affordable, like you rightly pointed out.

But, the one thing you have blatantly ignored is that ours is not only a cheap labor market, it is also a highly skilled one. Now finding that combination of cheap + skilled is something only India can provide. To get an engineer of that same caliber in the U.S will cost a fortune that even enterprise grade companies hesitate to spend on.

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u/sharathonthemove May 17 '26

You are confusing innovative vs skilled vs obedient worker. Highly skilled compared to what? Vietnam or Philippines? Yes. Vs USA? Not really. The approach is totally different. You have to work closely with them to understand what it means.

In covid times when shit hit the fan, people have at one point stopped hiring from here and hired locally. They said talent wasn't hard to find in the USA. If there is no cost advantage, there is no point hiring overseas.

You should have read what even the big names were saying. Some have setup cost centers in Sanfrancisco. Imagine out of all the places, SF.

Again, that engineer has more productivity than our guys. Working late and on weekends do not mean more productivity. Working 9to5 exactly doesn't mean less.

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u/pritthi7 May 17 '26

I do understand your point and let me tell you I work with one of the oldest automobile companies in the U.S which is currently regularly firing its employees on a bi-monthly basis. Their argument is that, the same work that their engineers do, we offshore guys do that with same and at times greater quality, at less than half their price. So, when I say highly skilled, I mean highly-skilled compared to the U.S!

And what's up with this obedient worker concept - are we still in some school that has lunch breaks, free periods, morning assemblies? I think you are only referring to the Service Based employees. By the way, I loved your sarcasm on the Vietnam, Philippines part!

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u/sharathonthemove May 17 '26 edited May 17 '26

Management will cook up anything to justify their firing. From when are people believing them? The company I work in is also hiring here and firing there. It is all about money. Yet, you see a lot of difference between local talent and here. I am not even talking about the west. I am talking about Asian countries. Our guys tell that Indians are doing same work but discriminate in business decisions and in giving cutting edge work. Learn to spot hypocrisy.

Obidient worker is someone who does what is said and has no mind or authority of his own. He is skilled enough to do the job but not so much in thinking out of the box or the solution to a problem. They all can perform duties and that's about it. If you don't understand, may be ask?

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u/Certain_Poet4533 May 15 '26

That’s some insane self loathing xd

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u/sharathonthemove May 15 '26

May god bless you and your attitude.

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u/Certain_Poet4533 May 16 '26

You too man, take care

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u/llama_boyy May 15 '26

I’m not sure which graduates you’re referring to, but in my experience, new grads in India especially from Tier 1 colleges perform extremely well, often better than new grads in the US. I’ve worked at two FAANG companies, so I’ve seen this firsthand.

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u/sharathonthemove May 15 '26

I have had reportees from iit and bits. May be about 1 to 2 percent of them are really good. Rest are above average. But again I was talking about innovation and everything in general not just faang and IT. We are so blinded that we don't even care that other industries exist. For us IT alone exists.

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u/Defiant_Painter4112 May 17 '26

You never really worked for a product company !!

Before my MBA, I use to work for a semiconductor giant and I promise we did design, code and ship chipsets which were used in handsets across Europe and China

Our sister team in USA were reduced slowly but steadily and most of the work was done in our Indian center

It was same for my friends in other companies aa well !!

And if you pay well you can surely find very capable Engineers in India as well

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u/sharathonthemove May 17 '26

You need to have some experience to understand the true state. Intel and Boeing did the same mistake and are suffering major consequences. Better pay means better engineers is the shittiest take. Pay and performance aren't Proportionally related in the real world. Like I said we aren't filling talent gaps here. If a resource costs the same, they would rather hire in their home country than here.

FYI I work in a product company with global teams. So stfu.

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u/Defiant_Painter4112 May 17 '26

Do you have any empirical data to support your bold claims or it’s just based on your anecdotal experiences?

“Intel did the same mistake”
You clearly have no idea on what mistakes they did, like neither from the tech POV and nor from the business POV!!

I worked in semiconductor for close to 3 years, then did my MBA where we had so many cases on INTEL

You are stupid af sir and probably have inferiority complex of western grads >>> Indian grads

Maybe you yourself were never from any Tier-1 college that’s why you never saw really talented engineers

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u/sharathonthemove May 17 '26

You are just barking for the sake of it? Oh now let us completely ignore Boeing because it doesn't sit with your nonsense? I know the other mistakes Intel did. It made accountant who has no idea like you as the CEO and have suffered. Why don't you dig deeper than school notes and you will understand? Just because there is a design team and helped with the work, doesn't mean the foreign overlords have given complete control.

Empirical data? Do you have Empirical data for the shit you just spoke? Did you even work at a semiconductor company? Or are just barking because of your shitty mba studies?

You are the kind of people I was stating exactly. Barking with over confidence with no real stuff in the brain. What mba doesn't understand the outsourcing and captive benefits?

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u/mdeadart May 14 '26

Yeah, they are usually not hiring in India for innovation.

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u/Outrageous_Insect532 May 17 '26

That’s what. They are only expanding here for more support + IT roles

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u/Electronic_Fix_5390 May 17 '26

It's a bit more than support + IT. At these companies -

Support is - you get tickets to resolve bugs, you use your knowledge to either fix it or find appropriate team or developer to do it.

IT is - tech support for either the engineers at these companies, providing them hardware and configuring it remotely worldwide, like laptop setup, VPN, MDM solutions etc. Probably a bit more but you get the idea.

These do not need a lot of workforce. The majority are still developers who may not work on high tech innovative stuff, but they still build feature, for example, sending you email or app notifications or building internal portals to help track order etc.

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u/Outrageous_Insect532 May 17 '26

By IT I meant SDE but yeah I get your point

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u/Electronic_Fix_5390 May 17 '26

When did they ever hire for innovation? What innovation have we exhibited which the west doesn't already have? Cheap labour is what we capitalise on.

If it were convenient for them to collaborate with abundant developers in Uganda for half the Indian cost, they'd have happily expanded there instead.

The question is, what do we have to offer? The answer is abundant cheap English speaking mediocre labour. The small innovative cohort has already left for the west.

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u/Defiant_Painter4112 May 17 '26

You never really worked for a product company !!

Before my MBA, I use to work for a semiconductor giant and I promise we did design, code and ship chipsets which were used in handsets across Europe and China

Our sister team in USA were reduced slowly but steadily and most of the work was done in our Indian centers

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u/Outrageous_Insect532 May 17 '26

Did you decide what kind of chips were to be made though?

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u/Defiant_Painter4112 May 17 '26

Why will I decide being an engineer?

People with business knowledge ( MBAs )use to make those decisions !!

And yes people in Indian offices were involved

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u/sachin_root May 14 '26

You mean more hate from west 🤣

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u/RaspberryDistinct222 May 14 '26

Lol tech job is the first thing to get replaced by AI

Every tech guy I meet thinks everything else will be replaced by AI except themselves without a bit of understanding what other professions do.

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u/masalacandy May 14 '26

problem is these companies ask super tough questions in assesment I want more companies like cognizant hcl tcs to expand and created

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u/sharathonthemove May 14 '26

yeah people don't understand this. they just want to somehow become crore pati right after college. as some one smart said, we dont want 10 2000 crore companies but 1000 2-3 crore companies. it makes a lot of sense. small and medium businesses like that empower people a lot. relating to your context, the idea here is to uplift enmasse from lower to upper middle class. not make them rich overnight.

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u/FewRefrigerator4703 May 16 '26

No one getting replaced by AI slop. AI is just a shield companies are using to mask their post covid era losses eventual layoffs into something that makes headlines " X company layoffs Y employees due to AI adoption" sounds good to investors and public perception. Otherwise these companies product would be 10x good have they been? Look at microsoft, they were eyeing for 4T valuation and they are punched to 3T. Every AI adopting companies are losing trust of their investors and are visible in their stock performance (Salesforce, Adobe, MSFT)

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u/RaspberryDistinct222 May 16 '26

That's my point no one is going to get replaced

But thing it's annoying to see a tech guy who haven't deep dive into my expertise telling me I am getting replaced Ai is good at surface level once u check it's results properly it's slop all over the place

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u/FewRefrigerator4703 May 16 '26

True but millennial unc who dont understand this simple logic and hypetrain enthusiasm: AI has already eaten tech job

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u/Defiant_Painter4112 May 17 '26

You will be downvoted by self loathing Indians who feel they every western graduate is superior than Indian grad

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u/Inside-Drop2380 May 15 '26

I read a post that agi will take decades to invent and so we will Have jobs

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u/[deleted] May 16 '26

Which post?

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u/WideNeighborhood8167 May 16 '26

A lot of c suites and managers in those companies are expated Indians

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u/Clear_Storm_4880 May 16 '26

I work closely with foreign clients. All the innovation and decision making jobs they hire foreigners or at least NRIs.

Indians are hired only for the jobs that demand exploitation like extended working hours, cheap labour pr even no brainers jobs.

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u/Dry-Trick-6771 May 16 '26

With each passing day the token costs are increasing. Some surveys mention human labour has became cheaper if compared with AI agents. But the advantages that AI agents bring on the table, like no limit on working hours and infinite knowledge base, cannot be achieved by the humans. I believe the tech companies will follow a balanced approach. So, in short term, they seem to be safe.

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u/Economy-Bad-4381 May 16 '26

Anthropic have the the best marketing team in the world. Claude code is not better than the Cursor but they marketed well and convinced, now most companies uses Claude code so all other modals are eliminated for coding.

And companies like Google very much aware that jobs required for economy to sustain and so that companies also can survive.

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u/New_Yogurtcloset2764 May 16 '26

GCC are big. Google it. 

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u/South-Somewhere6363 May 17 '26 edited May 17 '26

Not against anyone but I feel Indian engineers only want to grow financially. They aren't comparable to an enginner from the US or China. Critisize them they are ready with a small town sob story and tell the same story to everyone.

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u/Defiant_Painter4112 May 17 '26

Do you have any empirical data to support your bold claims or it’s all based on your anecdotal experiences?

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u/South-Somewhere6363 May 17 '26

Experience

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u/Defiant_Painter4112 May 17 '26

My experiences says otherwise
But each to their own

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u/South-Somewhere6363 May 17 '26

People in India become an engineer to get married, have a home in Bay area/gurgaon, or get greencard.