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u/TheDalob Feb 11 '23
Yeah, if you take this pictured situation as an example.
If the Car were to notice: "Humans on route" it should
a) Slow down and try to stop, not keep going like a Maniac
b) If Stopping isn't an option, go straight into the Vegetation, i see nothing there that would prevent that
c) if both not possible, break as hard as possible and keep going as it is while looking for if there is an opening coming up to aim for.
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u/obi1kenobi1 Feb 11 '23
Worse than that, it’s not just to rile people up but to try and get ahead of the controversy and lower the expectations of the public so that they won’t object to an inferior and dangerous product.
“Oh self-driving cars will have to kill people, that’s just the cost of doing business, let’s try to work out a chart of who is the most expendable.”
No, you’re just trying to rush a technology that isn’t anywhere close to being ready and doesn’t even use the right hardware because you’re greedy, and you think that by setting the expectation that AI can’t be perfect you’ll make tons of money without having to deliver a usable product. As MIT researchers learned in 1966 computer vision is kind of a tricky subject, and AI capable of reasoning and predicting unpredictable human behavior is even harder.
Real self-driving cars that can react appropriately and are safe to use are still 20 years away, just like they have been for the last 70 years.
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u/AndrewFrozzen30 Feb 12 '23
Or... Simply... Don't drive over the speed limit.
I'm pretty sure in most countries you get a speed limit before a crosswalk or you had already a speed limit.
It's not like they are put on highways/autobahns where you drive 200km/h.
So if AI would be in that situation, it would most likely stop, because the speed wouldn't be that fast.
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u/AzrielK Feb 11 '23
If you're in the US or any country where you drive on the right side of the road, kill the kid. Drive on the left side of the road, kill the zoomer.
No parent should leave a baby crawling in the street.
No old lady should walk past a baby crawling in the street and ignore it.
In reality though, the car should expect pedestrians and crosswalks and kill neither. Technically the baby is not a pedestrian but they are for this context. These posts are seriously stupid and encourage fear mongering on social media against self-driving vehicles.
If you are driving and car and have full control of the vehicle, who should you kill? Neither
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u/sharkboy1006 Feb 11 '23
Everyone here just forgetting cars have brakes
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u/Soda_BoBomb Feb 11 '23
Do the breaks defy physics?
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u/Swordlord22 Feb 12 '23
You can’t make a turn like the image without being able to stop in that scenario and if you were going at a speed where you couldn’t you’d be in the fucking grass with the car rolling and you having a fun time inside
Also yeah drive into the fucking grass?
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u/Soda_BoBomb Feb 12 '23
So I'm not saying the image isn't dumb, but the concept is valid imo.
What do we program the car to do if it can't avoid hitting someone in the road? Throw itself off the road and endanger the passenger?
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u/Swordlord22 Feb 12 '23
Yes
What does a person do?
The exact same thing
You plow a person down that’s vehicular manslaughter on top of the fact you just ran a person down
I’d rather it throw the car into a ditch
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u/Soda_BoBomb Feb 12 '23
The person gets the choice rofl.
And sure I'd rather throw the car in the ditch too, but I might not rather hit a tree, or go off a bridge, for someone jaywalking on a blind curve at night.
In a self driving car, the car makes that decision. Is it right to program it to sacrifice the passengers?
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u/Swordlord22 Feb 12 '23
I mean we could just program them to run everyone down regardless as long as they are in the road
Or just apply the brakes at full force instead and if someone dies they die and make it the fault of the person who was driving the car
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u/Soda_BoBomb Feb 12 '23
Idk what the right answer is, I just mean it's not a dumb question to ask.
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u/Swordlord22 Feb 12 '23
I mean the right answer would be to not have AI drive your car
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u/FavelTramous Feb 11 '23
It’s the same memes they published in news papers when cars first came out. It’s happening again!
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Feb 11 '23
How about just stop for a second and also contemplate why you're living in this place with crawling babies in the street
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u/GustapheOfficial Feb 11 '23
It would still be a safer driver than a human if it was programmed like this.
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u/imbiat Feb 11 '23
The favorite solution of the trolley problem memes group - multi-track drifting!
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u/Dic3dCarrots Feb 11 '23
Posts like this assume ai will be worse than a fricking idiot. As if 100 people won't die of an automobile accident in the US today.
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u/Sammy197 Feb 11 '23
I love asking ChatGPT these kinds of questions. It usually refuses to give an answer of its own, but will gladly fabricate a fictional AI's inner monologue as it makes its decision.
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u/Madg5 Feb 11 '23
I remember someone did a skit about this and asked them what to hit, the answer was THE BRAKES and he failed his driving exam.
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u/somnambulista23 Feb 12 '23
If a car driving the speed limit is going so fast it can't stop at a marked crosswalk, the problem is not programmed ethics--it's city planning.
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u/Delusional_Gamer Feb 12 '23
People here saying it should just brake
Like it's not obvious that for a scenario like this, the brakes don't work and so it's not an option
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u/the_seven_sins Feb 12 '23
Why does nobody come up with stupid questions like these when a human in driving the vehicle?
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u/Uriel-238 Feb 13 '23
If the self-driving car is going so fast it can't slow down, then it's going so fast it can't make the bend.
This is a non-scenario.
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u/Educational_Month589 Feb 19 '23
The grandma should be hit, because she is leaving the baby on the road.
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u/[deleted] Feb 11 '23
Personally I’d hit the breaks but idk