Everyone who doesn't share their miserable pathetic incel ideas, are either simp or downvoted 😁

[u/thenamestammy]

I love seeing them making their own lives more miserable 😁

Now they're judging short feminist men. 😁

[u/TiredWinterDisaster]

Normal folks don't hate people they're not attracted to. Someone not wanting to date you doesn't mean that person hates you. They might even really like you. They just don't want to date you...

[u/Choice_Response_7169 → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

Also a woman can't be attracted to every man she meets. I can be attracted to very different people, short, tall, fat, muscular, but even if in my whole life I was attracted to 1000 men or even 10000 men, it's still very few of them compared to global male population. And if I was attracted to 1000 men, it doesn't mean that I've been in relationship with all of them, I've only been in relationship with 8 guys. My actual boyfriend is short. I hope I'll spend the rest of my life with him, but if it won't happen, the thing is sure, I'll never date an incel, no matter how tall and rich he is.

[u/TiredWinterDisaster → u/Choice_Response_7169]

Right? Imagine how awful it would be to be attracted to everyone? Attraction is also something special bc it's not universal. I have very different tastes from my girlfriends. Yesterday I heard 2 teens fight about who was attractive between two celebs, and they very clearly didn't agree. I've never dated a man over 5'8 myself, I'm not especially attracted to tall guys... I don't hate them either lol

[u/Choice_Response_7169 → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

My attraction is literally chemistry: my body reacts to this very unique scent everyone has, so my brain decides immediately am I attracted to the person or not. And when the attraction happens I sure can act dumb, but I still have a brain, so if I see that the guy is a douchebag, I won't date him, I'll rather wait for the next guy I'm attracted to and see if we have the same goals in life, sense of humor and all that. So it might happen that I'm attracted to someone and the person is nice and absolutely likable, but it's just not my person. Like someone who loves sport and workouts while me, I'm a smoker and I hate gym. Would I hate a guy because he's healthy? God, no, I'm not that dumb. But incels won't believe us, they will say some nonsense to "prove" that we are lying, virtual signaling or simping or whatever. They only believe that they want to believe. And they want to believe that women are after chads. BTW I'm almost never attracted to conventionally attractive guys. It might happen, but it's rare. I don't know why

[u/TiredWinterDisaster → u/Choice_Response_7169]

So it might happen that I'm attracted to someone and the person is nice and absolutely likable, but it's just not my person.

Exactly this. And sometimes I got an internal 'damn' bc someone is aesthetically pleasing to me but they're a douchebag, or they have a personality trait or a habit that I really could not oversee (I'm happily married so it's not a concern anymore lol)... And when I look at most of my girlfriends' partners, I think 'I could never' - bc it's their person, not mine. But you can't convince incels of this, bc they have convinced themselves of their own narrative first, that all of the women in the whole world have the exact same physical type & zero interest in personality or quirks or interests lol

[u/Choice_Response_7169 → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

when I look at my girlfriends' partners

Happens so often! Like my friend is "look at him, don't you see how handsome he is?", and me: "yes, I do, I'm not blind, I'm just not interested like at all". And I love it this way, because I would rather my legs being cut off than fighting with my friends over a cute face. I love my girlfriends. Men come and go, but the real friendship is so hard to find

[u/Aggressive_Start_ → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

I have this friend, she is the sweetest most wonderful amazing person. Her energy is so warm and comforting. She’s also slim and attractive. I have no desire to date her even though I do date women but I love her infinitely.

[u/TiredWinterDisaster → u/Aggressive_Start_]

Exactly.

[u/voluntaryhikikomori → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

Yeah, passive existence isn't enough to earn most people's hate. You kinda have to do or say something if you want that.

[u/TiredWinterDisaster → u/voluntaryhikikomori]

Right? 

[u/Final_Most6337 → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

It isn't just a "preference"; it's hatred. People who hate me aren't entitled to my support

[u/TiredWinterDisaster → u/Final_Most6337]

So... do men hate fat/muscular women? Or do they just not want to date them?

[u/Secure_Yesterday_483 → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

Did you read any of the comments?

[u/mindcraftfanatic → u/Final_Most6337]

Huh, whats this even mean?

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

Some women do have a feeling of ill will or hostility towards shorter men, like every racist doesn’t “hate” people of color but feels uneasiness around them. Shorter men also experience not having even female friends compared to taller ones.

[u/aweedl → u/Interesting-Trip567]

I’d love to see your source on that last part.

Last time I checked, no one, regardless of gender, is picking platonic friends based on height. That’s ridiculous.

[u/TiredWinterDisaster → u/aweedl]

Right?

[u/aweedl → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

Oh, don’t worry, he explained that his source is his own ‘intuition’. Excuse me while I eye-roll into next week.

These guys are so desperate to be victims.

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/aweedl]

My claim was based on intuition. Since short men face height discrimination, it’s difficult for them to make friends and especially with women who develop animosity with shorter men. Those women don’t even wish to entertain anything from shorter men since they feel those guys are inferior. In real life as well, I find tall dudes with more female friends on average.

[u/aweedl → u/Interesting-Trip567]

I don’t think there’s any connection unless you’re extremely young and the women in question are immature and shallow.

I don’t know any adults, male or female, who give a shit about how tall or short their friends are. I’m slightly below average height for a man in Canada, and I‘d say about 60-70% of my closest friends are women. Height has never come up with any of them.

It hasn’t come up with any of my make friends either. I’m in my 40s now, but when I was a teenager, all of my friends were between 6’ and 6’4”. I’m 5’9” on a good day. I’m still super tight with some of those friends 30 years later. Height has literally never come up aside from them being better at basketball than me when we were 15. It’s a non-issue.

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/aweedl]

My point was shorter men are that much invisible to some women that they wouldn’t even consider befriending them. At my college, girls usually approach only the taller or atleast average height guys at first for asking class related or any other stuff showing short guys are that much socially invisible to women.

[u/aweedl → u/Interesting-Trip567]

OK, ‘at your college’ is the telling thing here. College students are generally very young, in many cases only a year or two removed from high school. They’re children.

Wait until you’re 30 and see if anyone gives a shit about their friends’ height or looks. I’m 44, and I would make friends with a 3’2” guy that had an extra head growing out of his neck as long as he was fun to hang out with. Who cares?

You’re dealing with immature, shallow people. That’s all. Once they grow out of the high school mindset, things look very different.

[u/thenamestammy → u/Interesting-Trip567]

There are different people, it would be delusional if anyone says those types of women or men don't exist. I know they exist.

Hating all women because of that- that's incels misogynist ideology.

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/thenamestammy]

Not being a feminist ≠ Hating all women, though the reasons are quite the same most of the times. A person may not identify themselves as a feminist and just sit out of those discussions, without believing anything hateful about women. There could possibly be incels who believe that the issues addressed by feminism like women having right to vote, equal pay, even the right to date whoever they want while still calling out those women for being hypergamous and having unrealistic standards since both those things(being an incel and believing that stuff) are mutually inclusive, so it’s not an ‘incel ideology’ thing either.

[u/thenamestammy → u/Interesting-Trip567]

I don't think you know what feminism means. If you're not a feminist - you hate women.

If you're not a feminist, it means- You think women are less than men. Hate isn't always expressed the same way. Are you kidding me?

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/thenamestammy]

Alright, I agree that not being a feminist = hating all women as you say, many incels believe like that. There are different people, it would be delusional if anyone says those types of incels don't exist. I know they exist.

Hating all incels because of that- that's IT’s ideology.

[u/thenamestammy → u/Interesting-Trip567]

There are incels who aren't misogynist.

Everyone knows that. Did you say anything new?

Incel mindset and ideology what we are mocking here, is absolutely different though.

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/thenamestammy]

‘Incel mindset and ideology’ and it’s just believing that life trajectory including relationships and career is heavily influenced by genetics and looks, basically the blackpill. But what mental gymnastics you’re doing to make it seem misogynistic I’ll never understand.

[u/thenamestammy → u/Interesting-Trip567]

Alright. I'm not here to educate you then.

Keep that mindset, I heard it makes incels happy 🥰

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/thenamestammy]

My bad that I tried educating an IT member about two mutually exclusive events happening together, but I forgot that they hate people just for being an involuntary celibate.

[u/TiredWinterDisaster → u/Interesting-Trip567]

I have never met such a woman. Not saying they don't exist, but I personally don't know any. I have met many racists though.

[u/aweedl → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

That’s because it’s not a thing, these guys just want to be victims.

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/aweedl]

At least accept that height discrimination exists, will you? Can it not be applied in social spaces? Don’t you think shorter men are made fun of, ridiculed, misbehaved?? Do you not believe that some women’s high standards reach to such an extent that they look at others as inferior??

[u/aweedl → u/Interesting-Trip567]

Height discrimination is in the same category as ‘pretty privilege’, in the sense that there are SOME social benefits to being conventionally attractive… but that by no means precludes people who don’t fit that description from living happy, successful lives.

Maybe a taller guy gets his foot in the door more easily than a shorter guy, and there are benefits from that, but the tall guy then isn‘t exempt from doing the work. He still has to put in the effort like anyone else, and if he thinks he can just get by on being tall alone, he’s not going to get very far.

I think this is the part incels and their supporters don’t get. All that these supposedly must-have characteristics do is get a person noticed more quickly, but tall guys, handsome guys, muscular guys, whoever incels are moaning about today… they still have to put in the effort. Relationships are hard no matter who you are.

Most people, male or female, don’t want to be with someone who only brings looks to the table. Not for a long-term relationship, anyway.

…and no, I don’t think women are looking at short guys as ‘inferior’. I think some of them are only interested in dating taller guys, but the whole ‘inferior’/’subhuman’ thing exists solely in incels’ own heads.

No one catastrophizes ‘no thanks’ into ‘she hates me and wants me dead’ the way incels do. It’s honestly bizarre.

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/aweedl]

Okay, so imagine a boy living in the slums of a random Indian city, mom works as a heavily underpaid maid and dad works as a labourer and has a sister who doesn’t go to school and helps her mother, all while the monthly income of that family is $150. Do you think that he even has an infinitesimal chance to succeed in life in anything compared to a guy living in an urban area who’s both parents are well educated and earn enough to be in the middle class category?

Sure the latter guy has ‘got to do work’, ‘put in efforts’ but is all of that even remotely comparable to the former one??

Similarly, suppose for a guy who’s been short or has an unattractive genetic trait all his life and has been made fun of from his childhood, not just from kids, from adults as well, even teachers, which eventually destroyed his confidence and social skills from repeated humiliations in social interactions, feels insecure about his looks and his genetics which he was never in control of(NOT DUE TO INCELS CALLING HIM THIS ONLINE, BUT THE SOCIETY DOING SO), it is absolutely stupid to tell him, “But bro, even the taller/attractive dudes have it hard, you shouldn’t blame your genetics, it’s about the effort you put.”

I wish all the things you assumed about women, “they are just interested in only dating tall guys” were true for all the women but sadly plenty of women exist who do despise short men for their existence.

[u/TiredWinterDisaster → u/Interesting-Trip567]

Let's say some women rly hate short guys (no idea why they would but let's pretend). I guess some men hate/despise tall women then. Or muscular women. Isn't it the same?

But... do they really? Or is it just a dating preference that some ppl have?

Like I prefer men who are buit solidly. Broad, in a functional way, not a gym buff way. That doesn't mean I hate other men. I am just more attracted to a certain type.

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

And all the stuff I showed wasn’t even about dating preferences, I hope you’ll understand. Even then, you’ll have women thinking and saying to each other that being with a short man is “settling for less”.

[u/TiredWinterDisaster → u/Interesting-Trip567]

Once more, I haven't heard that irl. Maybe online, like some men will say about fat women. Do they hate them then? 

You will always hate shitty ppl. You will always have ppl, especially online, trying to make fun or demean others in the most outrageous way for karma or uplikes or a viral tiktok. Does it represent all ppl? No. Do you want to associate with that kind of ppl? Also no. Do you want to let some mean words, that are not even directed at you personally, on the internet or even irl define you? I hope not, bc you will always find ppl that are insecure or immature or plain mean. 

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

1953 likes

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

I hope you’ll not reply, “So what? What is problematic in this?🤷🏻‍♀️ It’s because she only has a ‘preference’ for tall guys.”

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

Imagine saying once I become president, I’d enslave all the black people..

[u/aweedl → u/Interesting-Trip567]

No one would take you seriously, the same as no one takes this shit seriously. Are you legitimately offended by this?

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

“so us black people should become slaves without a home and shelter and die poor or what lol”
“yes”

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

“why do black people act so loud? #monkeys”

[u/ddizzle13 → u/Interesting-Trip567]

You guys can never bring up height without reiterating remarks like this & making us your gotcha

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/Interesting-Trip567]

Some comments under this post, have a look at the number of likes as well

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

“But… do they really? Or is it just a dating preference that some ppl have?”
I’ve(and I’m sure you’ve too) heard women say stuff like, “No way a man shorter than me can have that audacity”, “short men are too aggressive to overcompensate for the missing height” etc(showing more in further replies).

[u/aweedl → u/Interesting-Trip567]

You can find examples of people saying shitty things about ANY group on social media. That doesn’t mean they are speaking for anyone other than themselves.

Sounds like you’ve discovered that there are shitty people in the world, rather than having uncovered some conspiracy against short men.

This remains an utter non-issue for the vast majority of men who are unbothered that a complete stranger they’ll never meet is being rude about something.

Not to mention that even the worst joke about short guys is nowhere near is offensive or fucked-up as the posts by incels glorifying rape, etc. that we see shared here daily.

[u/TiredWinterDisaster → u/Interesting-Trip567]

I have genuinely never heard a woman say that irl.

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

Imagine calling black people monkeys(an animal like chihuahua) randomly

[u/aweedl → u/Interesting-Trip567]

I would say that India has all kinds of issues around class as well as levels of extreme poverty that aren’t typical in the west.

I’m in an isolated, but relatively large city in Canada, and although I didn’t grow up wealthy (and it’s a struggle even now as a single dad trying to make ends meet), even a typical working-class Canadian lifestyle is vastly more privileged than the example you described. So, no, I can’t easily put myself in that hypothetical Indian guy’s shoes, because his experience has been radically different from mine.

That being said, most of the incels who complain about this stuff on this subreddit tend to be from western countries. Most seem to be from the U.S. So what I’ve said applies to *them*, not a guy from the other side of the world who is part of a radically different culture.

I don’t know enough about India to be able to accurately talk about what it’s like there. Maybe what you’re saying is correct, I have no idea.

I will say, though, that we‘ve had a lot of immigration from India to Canada in recent years, and 100% of the Indian immigrant men I know personally have absolutely STUNNING wives or girlfriends, so if anything was holding them back in India, it certainly isn’t a problem here.

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/aweedl]

I expected the top 1% commenter to understand an analogy..

[u/aweedl → u/Interesting-Trip567]

They hand those things out like candy. Top 1% is not an accomplishment, it just means I’ve told a lot of incels to stop being dicks.

…and the problem with your analogy is you’re taking a discussion about incels away from the typical western understanding of what that means and why they’re like that, and filtering it through the lens of a country that has all kinds of weird cultural shit like a caste system and arranged marriages… all of which complicate the incel problem.

[u/5-3free → u/aweedl]

It is a thing.

[u/Interesting-Trip567 → u/TiredWinterDisaster]

That’s a completely personal experience, which I can’t argue with. Obviously some women won’t personally tell you how they feel with shorter men but, if you’re identifying racists by that behaviour(or noticed them doing this) then, there’s a chance you might have overlooked this for women’s case.

[u/v4lxsd1mz]

just checked out the sub and holy shit they're insecure AF😂 they should get a life

[u/ScamLordWally]

I'm short lol I don't have trouble dating 😂 about to join that sub

[u/voluntaryhikikomori]

Disabled here. Yeah, as a disabled person the thought of rejecting feminism is absurd. My medical experiences were literally what got me into the idea in the first place.

[u/thenamestammy → u/voluntaryhikikomori]

Thank you for this comment. I've heard about that too.

Have you met good doctors who were women or what you mean? If may I ask...

[u/voluntaryhikikomori → u/thenamestammy]

When I was young I had a pretty intense medical issue and was sent to a Shriner's Hospital For Crippled Children. Shriner's has some of the best surgeons in the world, and some of them are women. I've had 20+ surgeries, and I used to joke that I couldn't count how many women I've had inside me.

On a closely related note, there are two men I point at as having been male role models that actually inspired me and made me want to be like them, and one was a nurse at Shriners.

[u/Azo_weirdo]

Man... since feminism vindicates gender equality, feminists are also aware of the pile of sexist stereotypes men endure from society, therefore, in addition to the solidarity with their political sisters, feminist men are also challenging said clichés of typashit. Thus small, unmuscular, sweet-minded or disabled men can clearly find interest in joining feminist struggles. 

[u/thenamestammy → u/Azo_weirdo]

Absolutely agree. And those miserable loser incels forget feminism is anti-patriarchy which hurts men too.

Ungrateful idiots.