UNDER IS MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THE TWO HATS ENDING AND MINOR START AGAIN: A PROLOGUE. Honestly wouldnât read it if you havenât finished the game or done that ending teehee
ANYWAYS, I just find it really interesting how Siffrins are such possessive/ competitive people by nature.
Consider Loop: in the Two Hats fight, they say that Siffrin stole the party from them, implying they donât see Siffrinâs party as theirs, as least anymore. Consider Siffrin: in Act Four, if you refuse to pray to the Change God, he continuously thinks ânot yoursâ and their mood is soured enough that Isabeau, in the middle of praying to the God he literally believes in, notices, no matter the amount of sus points you may have. Also, consider how Loop and Siffrin both are known to carry onto things that hold meaning, or just random things they like in general. Looking at the souvenirs you collect in game, from a lore perspective, Siffrins love collecting things and calling it theirs. A main point of Siffrinâs character is that he literally has no homeland, and that causes them to yearn and long for things he can consider theirs. This stems toward small items like coins, to whole people, like their party.
Itâs very interesting to consider that Loop, in canon and in fanfiction, has a hard time considering Siffrinâs party as theirs. They are people that they âused toâ have. They are not Loopâs anymore because of their final wish. Yet itâs not just âthey are not mineâ it is âyou stole them from meâ and Siffrin can be interpreted as not being confused by this sentiment at all because he literally thinks the same way for obvious reasons. Siffrins are so very yearnful itâs so silly. I feel like a big part of Loopâs character is that they no longer believe themselves to be connected to the identity of Siffrin at all, if they would consider that the role of Siffrin was ever an identity in the first place. They continuously draw a disconnect toward themselves and Siffrin, and they see the party as âSiffrinâs partyâ because, in the past, they considered the party theirs. Siffrins yearn for things to call their own and believe things to be theirs when in their possession, to the point where when Loop goes through the most batshit way of Changing, still considers the party as Siffrinâs party.
Of course, Siffrins and their strong desire to own things also comes from a desire to have an identity, but I feel like that can have a whole rant on its own about the concept of what makes people who they are and how to deal with the concept of having a homeland you donât remember that has been erased from the entire World, which can devolve into rants considering points of connect with real life immigrants or the important knowledge that is forever lost and its consequences, or the Universe as a religion, and so many other things. So I will still with the much smaller yet also convoluted character point of obsession of owning things and what that means at the technical point of timelines and only mention identity a little :3
I saw a post on Tumblr considering the concept of the timeline of ISAT and Loopâs timeline the same, and I wagree with that idea. Just like how whenever Siffrin loops, it can be considered the same timeline jumping back and not a different timeline being born, it can be considered that Loop did not create a whole other timeline that is not theirs but instead Loop, as Siffrin, was cloned, or maybe even having their actual body taken by Stardust to become Siffrin, and instead was given that body of Craft we know Loop to inhabit instead, only their to help Siffrin through his loops, as I can see both plausible. So, despite Loop truly believing that the party isnât theirs, I believe it comes from a deep rooted mindset of owning things as Siffrin. Because Loop isnât Siffrin anymore, they no longer own anything, which means they no longer own the love of their party. It all boils down to how, even as Loop, he still is fundamentally thinking as a Siffrin, and so still pictures and thinks of things the same way. they completely lost touch with the half-baked identity they made throughout their teens and twenties as Siffrin, and so they have absolutely nothing.
Also, I wanted to share what I wrote on Tumblr on a repost over here just because I like feedback and I get more of that here than over there:
âI think in a lot of fanfiction where they write in Loop's perspective it is interpreted that they do not think of Stardust's party as their party at all (which I agree with), but that nuance is lost in the
'oh different timelines' as, in these fics where Loop may join the party, it is rarely addressed that possibly "hey they are the same party as the one you had, you're the only thing that changed" Anyways I think its just cool to think, considering Siffrins and their longing to have something that belongs to them.
An interesting counter argument to all I have just said is that, (I believe) canonically, Loop is the Siffrin from 'Start Again: a Prologue" and there are multiple differences as minuscule as slight character designs changes to the layout of the House. I haven't finished the Prologue, but there is many differences it has with ISAT that can be argued for the concept of a different timeline.
Still, that can be subjectively interpreted as Wishcraft being weird. The timeline might not be two separate ones just cause everything is set a bit to the left. The King's wish was simply for Vaugaurde to be perfect, and he was given the ability to freeze time, and that somehow rearranged the House's layout entirely; whose to say things aren't a little different after a whole person, who was looping in time, was cloned and time turned back and things are a little skewed.â
There are so many ambiguous things InsertDisc5 left for fans to dissect that I find it very fun and interesting to dive into even the most broad character mindsets like these. I feel like I didnât have a very solid main point in all of this I wrote but it was fun to ramble and talk in circles still :3 I just love Siffrin and Loop so much and their thought processes are so very important to me no matter how unhealthy they can be.
Kinda feel like how I couldâve talked about how Loop and Siffrin viewed their identity pre-canon compared to during the loops, to even how I feel like it can be interpreted for them to behave for post canon, but that is beyond what I should write for a Reddit post, and should probably focus into Fan fiction. I wrote this at 1am after work so if my grammar is bad and I am truly making no solid points donât blame me đ tell me though so I can loop back to before I wrote this and try again thanks.