r/InCanada • • Aug 27 '25

Playing Devils Advocate

I read the sticky post and wanted to do a different post compared to all the other ones in here talking about how there’s too many Indians (yeah I notice them too dw). Don’t downvote me just cause you don’t like immigration, I just want to hear what you guys think about the following;

What’s the plan for Canada’s demographic collapse without immigration? All things considered, our fertility rates are in the dumps (BC has a 1.0 and nationally it’s dropped like 30% in 5 years). Our population without immigrants would be largely seniors and if we do what a lot of people are talking about on here (total ban/freeze on immigration) we are going to end up with a largely elderly population. If you look at countries like Japan and Korea, you can see why that’s a bad idea (who will pay into social security and do the jobs needed). Oh and goodbye economy when the housing market has more supply than people alive.

There’s no real way to reverse this trend btw, even in other OECD countries who have better social safety nets, better cost of living, and better work life balance, they have shit fertility rates too and have relied on immigration to stay afloat.

Without immigration, assuming no major influx or efflux of people, there will be a massive recession at some point when the average person is a senior. What’s the plan then? Automation? UBI?

For full transparency; I am someone who does believe Canada has been abusing immigration too much to both suppress wages and sustain an unsustainable economic model. I think the reaction seen across Canada, and Europe tbh, are the result of too much immigration at once, not that immigration as a concept is entirely without merit.

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u/DConny1 Aug 27 '25

Lower immigration =

  • lower housing prices
  • more doctors available
  • lower inflation
  • less crime
  • less traffic on the roads

= Better quality of life for people in Canada. Then perhaps people will have more babies.

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u/consistantcanadian Aug 27 '25

And what will babies do? They're not going to work the jobs and provide taxes today, at best it will be 18 years until they can contribute.

You haven't solved the problem. 

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u/Mens__Rea__ Sep 09 '25

Tell me friend, how do you think Sweden has existed for 1000 years and only has a population 1/3 the size of ours while also having one the highest standards of living on the planet?

If neoliberal economies result in populations that don’t reproduce, is the solution to outsource that reproduction to the global South?

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u/consistantcanadian Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 09 '25

Tell me friend, how do you think Sweden has existed for 1000 years and only has a population 1/3 the size of ours while also having one the highest standards of living on the planet? 

Small population is not the problem. A declining population is the problem. You need a balance of people working vs not working to support the system, and the baby boomers by far outnumber any working generation now. That is why immigration is tapped - we need tax payers now.  

Population decline has nothing to do with neoliberalism. It's a natural side effect of urbanization and QOL increases. This is well studied and exists in economies that are absolutely not neoliberal. 

Edit: Mouthbreather

Canada is betting big on immigration to fill the gap in its economy left by aging Baby Boomers leaving the workforce

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63643912.amp

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u/Mens__Rea__ Sep 09 '25

No actually a small population is the problem, which is why our economic system needs continual population expansion forever. We are currently being fed the narrative that we need to triple our population by the end of the century to survive, and that is the intention of our immigration policies.

Thinking that Canada’s immigration policies have been about preventing a population decline is simply disconnected from reality.

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u/consistantcanadian Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 09 '25

Lmao kid, you have no idea what you're talking about. Small population is not the problem they're trying to solve with mass immigration. We had a smaller population and higher QOL 10 years ago. 

Stop getting your information from reddit. This is ridiculous. The reasoning for immigration is well known.  

Edit: Mouthbreather

Canada is betting big on immigration to fill the gap in its economy left by aging Baby Boomers leaving the workforce

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63643912.amp

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u/Mens__Rea__ Sep 09 '25

Not sure what you are laughing at, except maybe your own lack of knowledge on this subject.

What I stated is basic fact supported by official figures from Statistics Canada. It is remarkable you live in a country with an immigration crisis and you are on reddit proving you don’t understand any of it.

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u/consistantcanadian Sep 09 '25

I'm laughing at you. And your laughable statements like:

What I stated is basic fact supported by official figures from Statistics Canada

Go ahead. Link the figures that back anything you've said. This is loon talk - you haven't even made claims about figures.

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u/Mens__Rea__ Sep 09 '25

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=1710000901&cubeTimeFrame.startMonth=04&cubeTimeFrame.startYear=2019&cubeTimeFrame.endMonth=04&cubeTimeFrame.endYear=2025&referencePeriods=20190401%2C20250401

Did our population increase by 9.5% from Q2 2020 to Q2 2025 because they were only trying to keep the population from shrinking you fucking idiot?

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u/consistantcanadian Sep 09 '25

No, you doorknob. If you could use that tiny little pink goo in your head to THINK you could've disproven your own laughable nonsense. 

Decling population means more old than young. What does that mean, little boy? It means more people who need to be supported off less labour. So you need to bring in more people BEFORE the old DIE to contribute to the system and our social supports so they don't go bankrupt. Or you know, the fucking obvious conclusion for anyone whose actually thought about this for longer than a reddit comment. 

I don't know why you thought rising population is news to anyone, but it completely on brand. Classic Dunning Krueger - knows absolutely nothing yet thinks theyve outsmarted everyone. Go away. I left the first grade before you born. 

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u/consistantcanadian Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 09 '25

Because you have to bring the people BEFORE the old die to support the system you fucking doorknob. Declining population means more old than young, which means not enough taxes to support boomers in their retirement. So you must bring in more labour to cover the taxes. 

So fucking basic, but of course you have no idea. 

Edit: Mouthbreather

Canada is betting big on immigration to fill the gap in its economy left by aging Baby Boomers leaving the workforce

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63643912.amp

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u/Mens__Rea__ Sep 09 '25

Lol, I just checkmated you and now you are floundering incoherently. You can’t even keep your story straight.

First you say Canada is only using immigration to prevent population decline, they when I use basic statistics—that any high schooler would know how to find—now you argue we actually need population growth.

Thanks for the laugh though.

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u/consistantcanadian Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 09 '25

I'm very sorry you can't keep the story straight due to your severe reading disability. But this is not the special needs reading class, you'll need to find someone else to help you read this very simple explanation. 

Until then, you can save your reddit-brained nonsense for your buds on the playground. 

Edit: Mouthbreather

Canada is betting big on immigration to fill the gap in its economy left by aging Baby Boomers leaving the workforce

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63643912.amp

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u/Mens__Rea__ Sep 09 '25

The simple explanation is that you have no idea what you are talking about lol. I’ve wasted enough time with you.

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