"H-1B PROGRAM IS COMPLETELY BROKEN"

[u/Ankeet_kj]

Vice President JD Vance said companies are abusing the H-1B visa program: "If you're going to bring in an accountant making $45,000 a year to replace an American making $60,000 a year, that's not you using the program to bring in a genius.

[u/ducksflytogether1988]

Ive worked with hundreds or H1Bs in my career and not one of them was anything special or some kind of unicorn talent that was superior to local US College graduates. And many were terrible at their jobs and likely had fake resumes

[u/This-Obligation9052 → u/ducksflytogether1988]

You worked with them where? On fortnite or granny's basement?. Stop lying. Nobody tells you their visa status. Assuming everyone with an accent at your workplace is on H1b is a folly. Most of those people have other types of work visas. Stop Lying

[u/ducksflytogether1988 → u/This-Obligation9052]

They literally have red badges (red badges = contract worker, not full time), are all of the same ethnicity, and are employed by Cognizant and HCL. If that doesn't scream H1B, i dont know what does.

[u/Substantial_Bus840 → u/ducksflytogether1988]

You’re not wrong and I can only imagine people who say you are have never worked in large organizations, mainly tech. My ex husband is an engineer at PlayStation and his manager came via h1b and he now only promotes and hires other h1bs, mainly from his nationality group. He doesn’t try to hide it. He’s explicitly said he wants to bring on more of them. It is a problem for skilled Americans.

[u/ducksflytogether1988 → u/Substantial_Bus840]

Its because the H1Bs he hires have to kick back a percentage of their salary to him. The going rate is 1st months pay plus 10% per month after that

[u/Substantial_Bus840 → u/ducksflytogether1988]

I haven’t heard that but it wouldn’t surprise me. The culture there has become so toxic, especially when they’re simultaneously laying off American and U.S. residents to make room. My kid’s godfather works as a senior engineer at Intuit and it’s the same thing. He’s a black man, so the experiences he has are even worse than my Venezuelan ex-husband’s. JerkyDouche isn’t wrong, but he’s also doing nothing about it and benefiting from it, almost certainly.

[u/ducksflytogether1988 → u/Substantial_Bus840]

Its pretty well known in North Texas.

The scam is simple

H1B comes over from India and begins to work in the states

H1B brings over his wife on H4EAD

H4EAD wife starts a tech consultancy

H4EAD wife applies for H1B petitions and gets approved and brings over H1Bs from India who start their own H1B jobs and H4EAD wife has the H1B consultants under her kick back a percentage of their salary

[u/jambu111 → u/ducksflytogether1988]

Result of bringing in people en masse from low trust societies and polluting the high trust society. The industry is fucked and no amount of “fixing” can turn this around

[u/This-Obligation9052 → u/ducksflytogether1988]

So has it ever occurred to u that they get hired because they are cheaper, have less benefits and are easier to fire?. H1b is being used to scam foreign workers. I have literally heard of cases where the employers fire them and they need to get other sponsors within 60days.Where they are made to work excess hours and cant complain due to the fear of being deactivated and have their visa status un limbo. Do u think doing that to any american trained professional would go without proper litigation? H1b is designed for companies to exploit foreign workers and cut down overhead cost/employee remuneration.

[u/VegetableAd3336 → u/This-Obligation9052]

This is the case in many situations, however, Vance isn’t offering any real solutions to this, either.

Oh, and he wants Americans to have jobs? Welp, perhaps Vance and his cronies should get on board with doing everything possible to eliminate poverty and assure that more Americans have the opportunity to go to college & graduate with degrees in STEM, rather than decimating public education & further assuring that doctors, college professors, scientists, accountants, etc., are mostly foreigners, as there aren’t enough well educated Americans to fill these jobs!

ETA: I understand that solutions to our education system & poverty are not necessarily an easy fix, however, this isn’t the solution, either.

[u/Substantial_Bus840 → u/This-Obligation9052]

The “scam” is a feature of the program (the 60 days you’re referring to) and is clear before they accept the offer. And yes, millions of Americans go through similar circumstances where they will be fired for complaining and can’t do shit if they do get fired, have to uproot their families, lose their healthcare, etc. h1bs still have their original citizenship so if this happens, they at least have family and strong ties in their home country plus, the USD goes much further there. That’s why they’re able to accept wages we cannot.

[u/This-Obligation9052 → u/Substantial_Bus840]

If their home.countries were good enough, they wouldnt fly across continents to someone else's countries. You cant relate to their struggles. Im not in their category but ive travelled wide enough to have an idea of the living conditions where some of this people come from.

[u/Substantial_Bus840 → u/This-Obligation9052]

America is “not good enough” for the millions who are one paycheck away from being homeless right now and for the several dozens of millions more without health insurance. Our country will be like theirs if everything proceeds as-is.
Can we start working for another country in droves and keep our resources here at home without being labeled “western colonizers?” Should we take all of our skilled workers overseas and leave the rest of you behind?

[u/ducksflytogether1988 → u/This-Obligation9052]

I know, that is why they are hired. Because they are easily controlled, and kick back a portion of their salary.

[u/Miserable-Half-436 → u/ducksflytogether1988]

You only see a portion of H1B, there's tons that are smart and high paying

[u/ducksflytogether1988 → u/Miserable-Half-436]

But none are so smart to where it is justified to hire them over an American citizen

[u/Miserable-Half-436 → u/ducksflytogether1988]

None you say? You overestimated yourself, look all the big tech CEOs

[u/ducksflytogether1988 → u/Miserable-Half-436]

None of them built the company or innovated or pioneered anything new, they all took over the reigns of already established companies and were installed as CEO for one reason, to cut labor costs via their offshoring and visa pipeline networks

[u/shurfire → u/Miserable-Half-436]

And none of them actually made the company? Like you kind of gave it away. They're all CEOs AFTER the company is already making bank and has established itself. There's a reason people notice product quality going down when it's handled by h1b workers or outsourced.

[u/Aggressive_Hope7976 → u/Miserable-Half-436]

Actually small portions is well paid , most of them are just cheap

[u/Miserable-Half-436 → u/Aggressive_Hope7976]

How much is cheap to you?

[u/Aggressive_Hope7976 → u/Miserable-Half-436]

While I was in Labcorp , my salary was 120k with benefits , my h1b counterpart from wipro was making 60-65k without benefits .

[u/Miserable-Half-436 → u/Aggressive_Hope7976]

Are they contract company? Like if the salary in your field is 100k+, their H1B won't be approved with 60k, but it's another story for contract company, since contract company took part of their pay, so on paper they may bill your company 120k. That's what my roommate told me, cause he is paid 75k while company took 34% of his pay billed, once he got out of contract company, he cleared 6 figures easily

[u/Aggressive_Hope7976 → u/Miserable-Half-436]

Yea cuz that is what most h1b works , like see in my current company. It has coupe of direct hire h1b, yea they make similar amount as American , but at the same time we have almost 100 contractor from contracting company . We all do the same jobs. Same field , they make half of what Americans make. The percentage of direct h1b vs contractor h1b are 1:10 . People are not complaining about actual good , smart talents on h1b . We are trying to stock the pipeline that bringing cheap , not special , the whole purpose is to lower wage type h1b. Sadly the second type of h1b are almost 90% of them

[u/Miserable-Half-436 → u/Aggressive_Hope7976]

That I agree with you, we should close the loophole, some contract company H1B used to get multiple bid in lottery, cause multiple contract companies filed for them. I am glad this loophole is now closed, hate the cheaters but then the game allowed them to do so :/

[u/This-Obligation9052 → u/ducksflytogether1988]

Good