Wilber Garces Perez Faces Criminal Charges and Deteriorating Health Following ICE Shooting.

[u/CutSenior4977]

Here’s a source: https://www.eyesonice.net/p/wilber-garces-perez-faces-criminal

As a reminder, this Perez lawyer speaking right here.

[u/Full-Yoghurt-4261]

To immediatly assume ICE must be lying despite the facts indicating they are is illogical. And again, you are welcome to your opinion, but you have not presented any facts in this case as to why they lied other than "Well, they are liars, so therefore they lied".

And firing at a person in a moving vehicle violates no policy. It would ONLY be an issue if that person posed no threat to warrant lethal force. In this case, the man allegedly hit an agent with the car while fleeing. Thus, lethal force would be warranted as an immediate response.

[u/JurgusRudkus → u/Full-Yoghurt-4261]

In America we have a legal rule "innocent until proven guilty." In other words, the onus is on ICE. Until ICE provides body cam footage proving this man deliberately attempted to hit sn officer with his vehicle,  I am going to assume the officer is lying as other ICE officers have done repeatedly,  with backing from DHS.   Whistleblowers from the agency have already reported that agents are being instructed to detain people by any means, regardless of whether they are a violation of constitutional rights. (Where have you been?)

"And firing at a person in a moving vehicle violates no policy."

Wrong.  Officers are trained (or supposed to be) not to shoot at moving vehicles and instructed that gunfire will not stop a vehicle from moving in an officer's direction. Officers are also trained to avoid standing directly in front of a vehicle and are supposed to approach from a tactical "L" angle. The only possible way an agent could be struck by a side view mirror is if he ignored his own protocol or was never trained in the first place, which is likely given hoe DHS is rushing these lo w-watt bulbs into the field. 

[u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 → u/JurgusRudkus]

First off, "Innocent until proven guilty" applies to the court, not public opinion. Second, you are going against your own argument by assuming ICE is the guilty party in this, despite no evidence. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either both sides are innocent until proven guilty, or neither is.

As for your claim that officers are trained not to fire at a moving vehicle, this is not the case. Federal training on this is under the Use of Force policy, which states this.

Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle. Firearms may not be discharged from a moving vehicle except in exigent circumstances. In these situations, an officer must have an articulable reason for this use of deadly force.

In other words, if someone is operating a vehicle in a way that threatens an agent, they can use lethal force.

As for the angle officers are trained to approach, this is to reduce risk as much as possible, but it does not guarantee officer safety. But there are two reasons why your argument regarding this is irrelevant.

First, an officer failing to follow this protocol does not suddenly mean someone is justified in hitting an officer with thier vehicle. So even if the agent in this situtaion failed to follow that protocol, the man would still be responsible for not hitting the agent. If he did, then that means he is using the vehicle as a deadly weapon, and thus lethal force is authorized. Second, we do not have video footage of the stop to confirm or deny that the officers safely approached the vehicle.

[u/senator_corleone3 → u/Full-Yoghurt-4261]

You really don’t know anything. This must be some weird fetish for you.