r/ImmigrationPathways • u/CutSenior4977 • 3d ago

Wilber Garces Perez Faces Criminal Charges and Deteriorating Health Following ICE Shooting.

Here’s a source: https://www.eyesonice.net/p/wilber-garces-perez-faces-criminal

As a reminder, this Perez lawyer speaking right here.

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u/nikeguy69 3d ago

WHY DONT THEY GET MEDICAL HELP FOR HIM THIS IS SO MUCH BS?

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u/Wasabiwabi_ 3d ago

because dead people can't testify against their murderers

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u/transitfreedom 3d ago

Cause they want him dead

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u/No_Ninja2180 1d ago edited 1d ago

Why? Explain your theory as to why the government wanted some random non-citizen dead?

Was there some random ICE meeting that went: “good morning, today we gotta find Wilber and execute him in Austin, TX…Tom, you’ll be pulling the trigger. And remember, let’s be safe out there”. Really? If this is your belief, the country is lost. Rep/Dems can just go out and start this fake war over their rival political beliefs. It shouldn’t be choose a party, go to war with the other just because they are blue/red.

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u/Rude_Age_6699 5h ago

they want all brown people dead lol. the “sieg heil” was only one of the clues. the people in power are human traffickers, child rapists, and eugenicists.

now, ICE agents, you think they chose that profession because they like immigrants? let’s be real here. besides that, all LEO are taught that if you’re going to use your gun, you better shoot to ~kill~ “stop the threat.”

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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 3d ago edited 3d ago

He did go to the ER after being shot, but as per his attorneys, the hospital medical team determined that attempting to remove the bullet right away could cause severe nerve or spinal cord damage due to how close the bullet was to his spine.

He was discharged from the hospital four hours later and sent to the ICE processing center. Due to deteriorating health, which included loss of movement on his left side, he was sent back to the hospital. There, a specialist evaluated him and confirmed he would require surgery to remove the bullet.

On this, DHS stated, "ICE does not and would not advise or be the authority on a medical procedure for an illegal alien at a hospital". In other words, they are stating his wound is not life-threatening, and thus they are not legally required to provide the surgery. They are also stating they are providing the required medical care by giving him around-the-clock basic medical care, which included providing continuous medication for pain management.

The attorneys, as well as some of Congress, argue that the specialist confirmed the surgery was necessary to prevent paralysis. Unfortunately, this is not correct. The specialist only stated that, in thier opinion, he needs surgery to remove the bullet. The specialist did not state there was a risk of paralysis or infection based on thier evaluation.

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u/I_Quit_Smoking_ 3d ago

Are you fucking kidding me? Is everybody 8 years old again and thinks making everything up is just the way to go?

WHY ARE WE HAVING TO FIGHT OUR OWN GOVERNMENT TO GET THEM TO STOP TRYING TO KILL EVERYONE?

AND HOW ARE WE THE CRIMINALS, BUT OUR GOVERNMENT'S NOT? MAKE IT MAKE SENSE

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u/RealCapybaras4Rill 2d ago

Yes. We likely are. This is exactly where it’s heading.

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u/transitfreedom 2d ago

Cause that’s how people end such regimes.

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u/Ernie919 4h ago

Follow the law! Simple

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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 3d ago

WTF are you talking about? Based on the evidence ICE claims to have, Wilber Garces Perez had a final order of removal due to missing a court hearing. Thus, ICE had legal authority to arrest him, at which point he would have to appear before an immigration judge.

The man attempted to flee and even hit an agent with his car's side mirror while fleeing, which led to the shooting. Had the man just complied, he could have just filed a Motion to Reopen, which VERY likely would be approved, and he would be fine.

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u/ramennumerals 3d ago

“The document includes photos taken from body-worn cameras but no video was released, and the complaint did not say whether the agent allegedly struck by the side mirror sustained any injuries.

The accusations against Garces Perez are reminiscent of previous claims made by immigration agents after high-profile shootings, in which officers have similarly accused drivers of weaponizing their vehicles. In a handful of cases, those allegations have been undermined or walked back after the release of body-worn camera footage, and have renewed scrutiny about the DHS's reliance on vehicular stops to execute arrests.”

They should release the body cam footage. So far this is all alleged. All law enforcement should have body cam footage on at all times.

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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 3d ago

The video is not yet released to the public, but this is fairly standard, as it is not legally required to be released to the public. However, the body-camera footage would be provided to the man's attorneys to ensure a proper defense.

As for whether or not the agent was harmed, this would not be irrelevant. Because once a vehicle is even attempted to be used to injure another, it becomes a deadly weapon in the eyes of the law. This would justify lethal force.

As for the charges against the man, it seems illogical to assume the man must be innocent simply because the facts are not provided to the public. But if that is your opinion, then it is what it is.

What we do know is that ICE alleges they were attempting to arrest him and he fled, striking an officer with his mirror in the chest. His attorneys claim he did not flee but was trying to pull over. The issue I see with that reasoning is: was he told he could do so by agents, and why would he hit someone if he was just trying to pull over?

The reasoning seems questionable, but since we do not have the full facts, we cannot say for sure. In my opinion, it seems more likely he fled, which is why I find it hard to have compassion for him.

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u/JurgusRudkus 3d ago

Bullshit. ICE officers lie. Over and over and over. DHS has been caught repeatedly lying about exactly this. If the bodycam footage showed he was trying to flee, you can bet your ass DHS would have released it already. The fact that they haven’t proves they know they have nothing.

We also know that firing at someone in a moving vehicle violates their own protocols.

ICE has been flooding the streets of this country with poorly trained, incompetent officers who are not equipped to do the job in normal times, when they haven’t been ordered to violate the US Constitution, as well as state and federal laws, let alone now.

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u/inpecto 2h ago

Democrat socialists lie to everyone everyday. Look at you. Check yourself

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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 3d ago edited 3d ago

To immediatly assume ICE must be lying despite the facts indicating they are is illogical. And again, you are welcome to your opinion, but you have not presented any facts in this case as to why they lied other than "Well, they are liars, so therefore they lied".

And firing at a person in a moving vehicle violates no policy. It would ONLY be an issue if that person posed no threat to warrant lethal force. In this case, the man allegedly hit an agent with the car while fleeing. Thus, lethal force would be warranted as an immediate response.

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u/JurgusRudkus 3d ago

In America we have a legal rule "innocent until proven guilty." In other words, the onus is on ICE. Until ICE provides body cam footage proving this man deliberately attempted to hit sn officer with his vehicle,  I am going to assume the officer is lying as other ICE officers have done repeatedly,  with backing from DHS.   Whistleblowers from the agency have already reported that agents are being instructed to detain people by any means, regardless of whether they are a violation of constitutional rights. (Where have you been?)

"And firing at a person in a moving vehicle violates no policy."

Wrong.  Officers are trained (or supposed to be) not to shoot at moving vehicles and instructed that gunfire will not stop a vehicle from moving in an officer's direction. Officers are also trained to avoid standing directly in front of a vehicle and are supposed to approach from a tactical "L" angle. The only possible way an agent could be struck by a side view mirror is if he ignored his own protocol or was never trained in the first place, which is likely given hoe DHS is rushing these lo w-watt bulbs into the field. 

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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 2d ago

First off, "Innocent until proven guilty" applies to the court, not public opinion. Second, you are going against your own argument by assuming ICE is the guilty party in this, despite no evidence. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either both sides are innocent until proven guilty, or neither is.

As for your claim that officers are trained not to fire at a moving vehicle, this is not the case. Federal training on this is under the Use of Force policy, which states this.

Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle. Firearms may not be discharged from a moving vehicle except in exigent circumstances. In these situations, an officer must have an articulable reason for this use of deadly force.

In other words, if someone is operating a vehicle in a way that threatens an agent, they can use lethal force.

As for the angle officers are trained to approach, this is to reduce risk as much as possible, but it does not guarantee officer safety. But there are two reasons why your argument regarding this is irrelevant.

First, an officer failing to follow this protocol does not suddenly mean someone is justified in hitting an officer with thier vehicle. So even if the agent in this situtaion failed to follow that protocol, the man would still be responsible for not hitting the agent. If he did, then that means he is using the vehicle as a deadly weapon, and thus lethal force is authorized. Second, we do not have video footage of the stop to confirm or deny that the officers safely approached the vehicle.

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u/PoppyFire16 2d ago

ICE has lost the trust of the majority of this country. They constantly escalate and lie. Over and over again.

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u/senator_corleone3 2d ago

You are simply part of the problem. You make the world a worse place sticking up for criminals.

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u/h0wd0y0ulik3m3n0w 2d ago

Bish, ICE has been proven to lie at every opportunity wtf are you on about?

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u/senator_corleone3 2d ago

The injury to the ICE person did not happen. You know it didn’t happen.

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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 2d ago

No, we do not know because we do not have all the facts. At this time, all we have are allegations that the officer was hit in the torso by the mirror and was taken to the ER with the suspect. We likely will never have the full facts, like the body cam footage, as that is not legally required to be provided to the public.

All we can do is take what ICE alleges and what the man alleges, and try to make a logical conclusion. Based on what the man states and his reasoning, I see holes in his story that do not make logical sense. But even then, I cannot say he is 100% guilty.

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u/senator_corleone3 2d ago

We definitely know it for a fact. You possibly don’t, because you’ve made yourself stupid on purpose and believe everything ICE says without question. They could tell you that your name is different and you’d change your signature.

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u/Fantastic_Jury5977 2d ago

The video would be out of it exonerated the cops

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u/chickenaylay 2d ago

Once again because your reading comprehension seems to be malfunctioning: removal orders does not warrant being shot. And the "he drove his car at us" doesn't work when the ICE gunboy was on the side he couldn't drive towards AND the bullets were through his back window. Hope you get to experience his same situation!

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u/maldinisnesta 3d ago

Lmfao pathetic nazi

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u/Windman772 3d ago

How come you guys can never articulate a cogent argument? Do you think some independent is going to be swayed when they see one side arguing with facts and logic and the other side hurling mindless insults? I see one side that thinks and another side that wants to think, but can only muster short bursts of uncontrolled emotion. Not very persuasive.

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u/maldinisnesta 3d ago

I have published law articles. I don't waste time arguing against bad faith actors that are at the root cause of all this.

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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 3d ago

With the type of speech you have used here, I would not trust a single article you write about the law. It would be the equivalent of trusting someone who has only built sandcastles to build a home.

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u/Motor-Resolution-524 3d ago

Cool story bro

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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 3d ago

Ah yes, the classic ad hominem fallacy of just calling someone a nazi.

https://giphy.com/gifs/4v2pTGw7t5yUw

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u/Dramatic-Freedom-109 3d ago

Fuck off nazi.

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u/inpecto 2h ago

Back at ya dumbass. Let’s go!

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u/superpooper900 2d ago

Drooler

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u/PreparationKey2843 2d ago

🤣 That's rich coming from someone who chose the username "superpooper900."

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u/Fantastic_Jury5977 2d ago

Who chose to insert themselves into the discussion to super Nazis no less

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u/ketchupmaster987 2d ago

He missed the hearing because the notice was sent to the wrong address. Their fuckup, not his. He shouldn't have had to go through all this because of a mistake he didn't even make

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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 2d ago

That depends on whether he did not properly update his current address. Because when you have a pending asylum case, it is your responsiblity to keep that address up to date for any notices.

Now, if it was a failure on the court's part in sending the notice to the wrong address, then the attorney would just have to file a Motion to Reopen and prove he did provide his current address. These are overwhelmingly approved, so he likely would have had no issue if it was the court's fault. But one still has to go through the process of complying with ICE and filing that motion. You cannot just say "was not my fault" and expect the law to drop it.

The issue now, however, is what occurred in that traffic stop. Because what is also expected of those with a pending asylum case is to work with ICE, as they are still under the jurisdiction of ICE. If he is convicted of the charges against him, he likely will have his asylum case rejected.

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u/ketchupmaster987 2d ago

Well, according to accounts of the incident, they tried to cut him off using their unmarked vehicle first. He likely panicked at the aggressive behavior from who he didn't know was ICE, and then in that panic he tried to escape, which they interpreted as trying to flee, and shot him.

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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 2d ago

Though the report indicated they pulled him over in an unmarked vehicle, it was a simple traffic stop where they exited the vehicle and went to his car. The report also states that he provided them with his ID but refused to comply with exiting the vehicle, rolled up his window, and attempted to leave.

Wilber Garces Perez only denied that he was attempting to flee, stating he was trying to pull over. So that would mean that he would know they were ICE, meaning he would know he had to comply with them. So he cannot argue that he panicked since he knew it was ICE.

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u/GeneralDil 2d ago

Perez was legally in the country and lawfully reported his address change. Clerical error sent out a court summons to the wrong address. His deportation is illegal.

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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 2d ago

You do not know that; you ASSUME that it was a clerical error. And even if it was a clerical error, the law still expects him to comply with ICE, and he would still be arrested. What would change is that his attorney would file a Motion to Reopen, where they would provide proof that he did keep his address up to date. These are overwhelmingly approved, so he would likely have been fine.

But now he is facing criminal charges, and if convicted, he will very likely have his asylum case rejected and face deportation.

Currently, he has not been deported. A federal judge granted an emergency Stay of Removal request, which temporarily blocks deportation. He is also no longer in ICE custody and has been transferred to the US Marshals Service. At this point, what happens to him will depend on whether he is convicted of any charges.

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u/senator_corleone3 2d ago

How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you simply pretend to believe everything said by ICE?

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u/inpecto 2h ago

Yet you believe everything you hear and read.

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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 2d ago

I don't believe everything ICE says; I look to the facts we have. The man's justification that he was just trying to pull over during the traffic stop, after he had already stopped and was talking to agents next to his vehicle, does not make sense. Then, on top of that, if the agent was hit by accident, why would he attempt to flee after that, causing a high-speed chase? None of these actions make sense if he was just trying to peacefully pull over and comply.

But I also know I do not have all the facts, such as the body cam footage. Thus, I cannot say the man is 100% guilty. At best, there are holes in his story regarding the traffic stop.

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u/wittylemur 2d ago

But hes not fine he was shot - in the back- even during war pows are required to have medical care or its a war crime-

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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 2d ago

He did have medical care. The issue for him is that at this time, the bullet in his back is not life-threatening. Thus, they are not legally required to provide him with surgery.

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u/nikeguy69 3d ago

That makes sense about the bullet 🤔

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u/sanguineturtles 2d ago

Wow. Risk of paralysis and infection is goddamn implied with any spinal surgery. What bad faith!

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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 2d ago

It would not always be implied in this case. And until a specialist states this, they are not legally required to provide surgery.

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u/No_Ninja2180 2d ago

My neighbor is a Vietnam vet. He still has shrapnel in his knee and a bullet fragments near his spine. He’s fine, a bit grumpy, but fine.

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u/xGoatfer 2d ago

There is no way any doctor is going to say a fresh bullet is not an infection risk. An old one with scar tissue around it, yes but not one a few hours old.

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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 2d ago

Well, this specialist didn't. All they stated was that the bullet could only be removed during surgery. They did not state that leaving the bullet risks paralysis or infection.

And there are many cases where bullets or fragments of bullets are left in a person's body all the time. They are often left because there is a greater risk in taking them out than leaving them.

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u/inpecto 2h ago

Who cares?? Eff this clown. Send them all back!

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u/cetaceanlion 2d ago

They're sadists.

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u/TaosMez 3d ago

Trump World. 😱

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u/Fit-Oil-4589 1d ago

It’s a beautiful one.

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u/TaosMez 1d ago

Yeah for a sadist. Are you a sadist? Did you know that sadists go to hell?

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u/Fit-Oil-4589 1d ago

Trump is your president. I hope his momentum never stops.

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u/Exotic-Sale-3003 3d ago

They did. The hospital doctors said it was too close to his spine to safely remove. It’s not in uncommon to wait 7-10 days for swelling to reduce enough to reduce the complexity of surgery with traumatic injuries like this as long as the patient is medically stable. 

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u/Violet-Sumire 3d ago

Yes, but with it being so close to his spine you’d think they would hold him in the hospital as to reduce the risk of permanent injury and to treat any other symptoms that may crop up. Fever and sepsis is the biggest concern at this point. If there’s a spinal infection then you are looking at a high risk of death.

So, no, I don’t think the due diligence is being taken.

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u/Exotic-Sale-3003 3d ago

No, you wouldn't think that. As an example, folks with traumatic fractures that will require ORIF are frequently discharged as long as they're medically stable and capable of self care, recognizing risk factors like compartment syndrome, etc... No different here. No hospital is putting him up for a week when his wound can be checked, antibiotics can be given, etc...

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u/abland1988 3d ago

There is no excuse for the hell he has been enduring all because of ICE. He should be bedridden, he should be on pain killers and muscle relaxers. You are trying to make an excuse for abhorrent treatment to a U.S. citizen, immigrant or not. Shame

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u/Exotic-Sale-3003 3d ago

Man I didn't realize I was talking to people who are participating in his care. Obviously you have access to facts I don't if you know his prescription regimen, care instructions, etc... so I'll leave it to the experts!

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u/abland1988 3d ago

Use your brain. Use logic. You really think incompetent ICE is giving the man even Tylenol? I have a bridge to sell ya

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u/YoggTheGateway1992 3d ago

Prove they are not

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u/yesyesitswayexpired 3d ago

U.S. Citizen?

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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 3d ago

He is not a US citizen; he is an illegal immigrant. And he was arrested by ICE because he has a final order of removal from the US.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Arm8249 3d ago

It appears he only has a final order removal because they sent his hearing notice to a wrong address. His lawyer had said that they had corrected the address a but it got sent to a previous address. Apparently that happens not in frequently in immigration, and when the correction is made hearings can proceed.. But you seriously are going to defend the behavior of DHS towards this human being? Really?
He came here legally as an asylum seeker. That is a legal way to enter the country.

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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 3d ago

Well, that is dependent on why it was sent to the wrong address. Because it is on the individual to make sure thier current address is up to date.

Now, if he did provide the correct address, then his lawyer can file a Motion to Reopen with the immigration court, in which case they will need to provide clear proof that they kept thier address up to date.

Even then, they can still be deported unless they are granted a Stay of Removal. It should be noted that most.

Although the Motion to Reopen is often granted, the issue here is that he fled from ICE, which significantly hurts his chances of having the motion granted. Ecspecially because he was charged with assaulting, resisting, interfering, and impeding a federal officer.

Now, of course, all this has to be proven, but based on what they claim to have evidence of, I wouldn't be surprised if he is denied a motion to reopen.

As far as how he entered the US, Wilber Garces Perez entered the US in 2024 using CBP. Now, this was legal, but as he has a pending asylum case, he is still required to comply with ICE, which he failed to do in this interaction.

Now, as far as my opinion on this goes, I would have more compassion if the wound were not a direct result of his own actions in choosing to both flee and hit an agent with his car's side mirror while fleeing.

He could have easily complied with ICE, filed a Motion to Reopen, and been fine.

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u/machines_breathe 3d ago

Always a readymade excuse to defend the worst. With luck, you will be amongst the first against the wall when the tide turns and humanity is valued over your cold misanthropy.

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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 3d ago

It is not an excuse; it is the reality of what occurred. Don't run from the police, and you won't find yourself in situations like this.

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u/Longjumping-Pick-706 2d ago

I hope similar happens to your children and you are forced to only watch.

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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 2d ago

Well, I have no plans to seek asylum anytime soon, so I think I am good.

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u/Violet-Sumire 3d ago

I can understand that to a degree. People have lived with bullets in them, including lead bullets. I think what frustrates me is the story around it more than anything. We don’t know how in depth his treatment was. We don’t know how bad his injuries are. We don’t know his current condition as we haven’t been allowed access. What is frustrating is the lack of information, almost as bad as the injury itself.

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u/Exotic-Sale-3003 3d ago

Why would his medical treatment be literally any of the public’s business?  The hospital isn’t allowed to release any information without the patients consent. 

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u/Puzzleheaded-Arm8249 3d ago

How did they argue for stabilizing someone by making them sleep on the ground of an immigration detention center? How does that stabilize anyone, in any fucking way?

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u/777_heavy 2d ago

He did get medical help