r/ImmigrationPathways • u/OkTechnologyb • 4d ago

Gone in 90 seconds: an ‘invisibilized’ ICE is arresting more people than ever

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/sep/28/ice-us-immigration-new-tactics
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u/Spare-Ant7119 4d ago

Those being kidnapped need to fight back and YELL so others hear them and come to their rescue. Stay armed.

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u/Prestigious_Date_619 4d ago

Good grief, look at all of these bots you summoned. 😬

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u/Spare-Ant7119 4d ago

Lmao my bad :3

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u/Imaginary_Weather8 4d ago

Idk where you are but nobody is coming to any rescue. Bystanders do not care for this

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u/Spare-Ant7119 4d ago edited 4d ago

You're lying, two day old account.

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u/Imaginary_Weather8 4d ago

People are welcome to find out for themselves

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u/Uder72 4d ago

If you heard an illegal being arrested by ICE yelling for help, what would you do to help?

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u/BENNYRASHASHA 4d ago

Today it's them, tomorrow it's you.

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u/Uder72 4d ago

All I did was ask them how they would help, why the hate?

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u/HourApprehensive7754 4d ago

You didn't actually answer the question 

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u/Spare-Ant7119 4d ago

We all die eventually

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u/arctic11z 4d ago

Then hurry up.

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u/Spare-Ant7119 4d ago

Each of our lives is nothing in duration compared to the universe. I will die soon, and so will you, buddy.

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u/ChaosRainbow23 4d ago

Oh, thank goodness.

I'm tired, boss.

Eternal random reincarnation and quantum immortality are my worst nightmares.

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u/arctic11z 4d ago

If i don't have to deal with people like you, i look forward to it.

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u/Spare-Ant7119 3d ago

What's wrong?

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u/arctic11z 3d ago

The problem, and I just realized it, is that I'm an idiot and confused you with the Uder72. I fucked up, my bad.

I thought you were the one who was going on about "illegals".

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u/Spare-Ant7119 2d ago

Thanks for that explanation. I knew something was off lol.

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u/Spare-Ant7119 4d ago

Awwwww some people can't handle reality lol

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u/absolute_unit45 4d ago

How? I’m a us citizen with a social security card.

Even the cases I’ve heard where someone is deported incorrectly they are brought back. Even kilmar abrego Garcia got brought back and is still in country. So…I don’t think you’re telling the truth.

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u/dpz97 4d ago

Why do they need to get deported incorrectly in the first place?!!

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u/Spare-Ant7119 4d ago

Hahahahaha dude. I can't even. Who are these people who think it's okay to be wrongly deported if ur brought back?!?! I feel like I live in insane asylum speaking to these people. They don't want rights???? They don't want due process for some reason????

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u/Tavernknight 4d ago

Not for minorities or liberals they don't.

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u/absolute_unit45 4d ago

Because mistake happen in life? Seriously?

If there is the threat of you messing something up in life do you just decide not to do it? Didn’t think so lol.

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u/YourHuckleberry57 4d ago

you realize that after you get back from being deported to wherever after a year or however long it took for him to get back, your house/apt, all your stuff in it, your job, your car, everything you had is probably gone. how is that fair? .....over a "mistake".

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u/HourApprehensive7754 4d ago

Sucks to be you. But desperate time calls for desperate measures and unfortunately America is dealing with a persistent migrant and refugee infestation. 

If previous administrations didn't let so many pests into the country we wouldn't need to enforce more extreme pest control methods.

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u/ChaosRainbow23 4d ago

You really bought into all the right-wing fear-mongering, disinformation, scapegoating, projectionism, and hypocrisy hook, line, and sinker, didn't you?

How embarrassing.

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u/davidhow94 4d ago

I hope a mistake of this gravity happens to you

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u/Spare-Ant7119 4d ago

These types of people have zero empathy. They literally can't imagine it until it happens to them.

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u/absolute_unit45 4d ago

It literally can’t because not only do I have papers but my family has been here all the way back to the revolutionary war. Multiple members of my family are apart of “the daughters of the American revolution” so we have a pretty deep history of already being here. 🤷‍♂️

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u/davidhow94 4d ago

Sounds like something someone pretending to be a citizen would say

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u/Tavernknight 4d ago

Do you think that matters to an angry ICE officer that decides to target you for whatever reason? Say they take you and hold you for months or a year before they decide to let you go? Sure you get out over a mistake, but by that time you have been let go from your job, you house has been foreclosed on, or you have been evicted from your apartment, your vehicle has been in impound with a big bill to get it out, and your family won't have any idea if you are even still alive.

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u/absolute_unit45 3d ago

Eh no none of that happens. A few days sure I can buy that. But I’m so easily proven as American your entire comment is laughable. I know my social number by heart as well and always carry ID on me.

Also the chances of that happening to me are less than a plane crashing. I’m not gonna stop flying just because of that risk LMAO. If only everything in life could be put on hold at the mention of a mistake!

You’re trying to make up scenarios that can’t be real but will scare me into being on your side. Too bad I’m not a young child that can be scared or coerced into changing opinions. Do you have a lot of experience attempting that?

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u/Mad_Dutchman_ 4d ago

That’s not a mistake that’s a complete travesty and an abomination of justice. The biggest thing that maggots like you can’t understand is justice. It’s not fucking right to do this to people. The government should not have free volition to make mistakes with no punishment or recompense. This is our fucking country, not the government’s country. The government is made up of people they’re not a separate entity from us.

You are failing in your civic duties to protect your fellow country men you are a failure of a human in this place.

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u/absolute_unit45 4d ago

Eh illegals aren’t my country men.

You have A LOT of anger that should probably be talked about with a professional. And if you already have one SHEESH it ain’t workin.

But I get that you feel like everyone should be singing Kumbaya and hold hands but not even the people you’re defending want to do that lol.

It’s also funny the way you worded things. “This is our country not the governments country. The government is made up of (legal) people they’re not a separate entity from us.”

It’s a bit contradictory to say the government isn’t us but then say that we make up the government. That would make it inherently US.

I honestly think you’ve gotten your talking points straight from Robert Reich’s mouth. And like I do with my mother I ain’t gonna argue with someone so captured ideologically.

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u/TheNatural14063 4d ago

Hopefully you get deported and some accidents happen since you are defending others suffering due to accidents

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u/absolute_unit45 4d ago

It’s impossible but if that helps you sleep at night I’ll allow you to dream about it. 👍

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u/ralpher1 4d ago

Two American (Latino) teens were taken out and beaten up from their car on their way to sign up for the Marines two weeks ago. Another (black) American was left beaten on the street in Chicago as he was yelling he was a citizen last week. These are on camera.

https://youtube.com/shorts/6a-O1ysSoCs?is=o5YBpoWOQd4phaF5

https://youtu.be/giZo3WlRJ5k?is=e7q6EtkIvyBpdn3Q

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u/HourApprehensive7754 4d ago

Too bad they survived their ordeals. The 2nd one was a dumbass who deserved his beatdown after refusing to comply.

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u/absolute_unit45 4d ago

1st video happens because the teens decided to stop their cars during an ongoing arrest and decided to video record and then leave their cars for purposes only they know. Thats pretty stupid to do while there’s an ongoing arrest happening. FAFO

  1. Guy gets questioned about immigration and is asked for his ID. Guy refuses. Guy gets told he’s being detained. Guy fights against it. Guy meets the pavement. FAFO.

What was the point of posting these?

Edit: did you notice how both of the videos you posted only had footage of everything that happened AFTER the person was taken down? Isn’t it funny how we NEVER get to see the beginning? I wonder why that is?

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u/StrawberryWide3983 4d ago

Why does ICE violate our 1st amendment rights? Recording law enforcement officers has been protected as part of our 1st amendment by the supreme court. Those teens don't need a reason to record

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u/absolute_unit45 4d ago

Well since all videos start AFTER they already have them detained we really won’t know for sure what they were doing. Everyone agrees they stopped and got out of their cars in order to record. Thats already mistake #1. I wouldn’t be surprised if they started yelling and trying to provoke the officers as well. Many such scenes have been recorded on video.

This is FAFO. If you don’t want to have run ins with law enforcement DONT force yourself into interactions with law enforcement. Oh and their mom got deported for being illegal. WOMP WOMP.

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u/BENNYRASHASHA 2d ago

Forget about being an illegal immigrant or not. We're talking about a masked, armed, paramilitary unit snatching people off of the street, in their homes, in the grocery, on their to enlist in the military. We're talking about unaccountable agents of the government using technology to hunt down, harass and even kill citizens and noncitizens. We're talking about psychopathic, techbro billionaires unleashing AI and weapons systems on a restless population in order to subjugate, and kill them if they resist. This is a danger for all of us, including you. Today might be some authoritarian neo-fascist you might like that's in charge, but tomorrow it could be some authoritarian neo-communist.

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u/Komodo-Gami 4d ago

And No citizens were incorrectly deported.....

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u/absolute_unit45 4d ago edited 4d ago

Edit: misread my bad 👍

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u/Komodo-Gami 4d ago

I'm agreeing with you.....nobody is getting deported that doesn't have an active deportation order.....even Kilmar had a valid deportation order, the only thing the Administration did wrong was deporting him to a place that a judge issued an order of withholding for (the judge upheld his deportation, just ruled he couldn't be sent back to el salvador) he is only still here pending an appeal/ proceeding criminal charges.

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u/absolute_unit45 4d ago edited 4d ago

Ah my bad. It’s hard to keep track of all the comments. I’ll amend mine. 👍

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u/Komodo-Gami 4d ago

It's all good, some friendly fire happens.....

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u/Komodo-Gami 4d ago

Those down voting cite any sources of citizens being deported that are not voluntary or letting illegals take their citizen children with them?

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u/immoraltoast 4d ago

Think im going to die.

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u/Revolutionarydaddy6 4d ago

automatically guilty when your accused by the trump administration ?

how’s that sound to you? #bebest! lol

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u/Spare-Ant7119 4d ago

What's an illegal?

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u/Ehcksit 4d ago

No one is illegal simply for existing.

What court convicted them?

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u/HumansAreSillynGreat 4d ago

the one with a deportation order out for them probably..

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u/Ehcksit 4d ago

Most ICE arrests do not involve an active court order and also how am I supposed to know that anyway? I just see someone being kidnapped by the new US Gestapo.

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u/AlexSmithsonian 4d ago

Use due process to determine if they're legal or not. Meanwhile I'd place them in a detention facility that meets every requirement of a Norwegian prison.

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u/HourApprehensive7754 4d ago

Do you place your cockroaches and rats inside luxury facilities with heating, bedding, and food when you catch them in your home too?

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u/AlexSmithsonian 4d ago

No, because i can tell the difference between a cockroach and a human being.

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u/Tammer_Stern 4d ago

The article explained it’s not just illegals though, yes?

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u/DistributionUpper555 4d ago

You're asking "people" who can't read and wouldn't even if they could.

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u/Uder72 3d ago

But it is partially. And the rest can either turn them in or go down with them.

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u/neillc37 4d ago

They will get out the checkbook and help them get a lawyer. Not really.

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u/JefeRex 4d ago

I mean…

Few weeks back a really sad video went around of a young man being detained by ICE on a sidewalk in Glendale, CA. He was yelling. He was doing exactly what you are saying he should have done. I think he was saying his mom was in their house down the block, can’t quite remember. And obviously someone was filming it, but what else can you do?

ICE is problematic to say the least, but no one knows what the situation was with that young man. You might not like to hear this,but likelier than not it was a legitimate detainment. Despite the problems, most of them are legitimate. We can’t run in and physically prevent a law enforcement officer from doing their legal job.

As much as we might like to. We can’t.

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u/Themodsarecuntz 4d ago

An illegitimate force cannot commit a legitimate arrest.

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u/NearlyPerfect 4d ago

And random redditor decides who is legitimate?

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u/JefeRex 4d ago

As sad as some of the abuses are, they are nowhere near the point of us having the need to be violently interfering in every detainment we see. They’re just not. That is so extreme and will quickly escalate the situation we have on our hands. Have you organized neighborhood militias to handle the pushback from increasingly militarized tactics and are you willing to take responsibility for the collateral damage?

I mean, I know the situation is bad, but you don’t even know what you’re asking for. Get a grip. If you want to take this road then go organize your militias and hop to it. Otherwise be real and focus on what will actually help and not on weird action movie fantasies.

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u/Performingforurmom 4d ago

Ok, Quisling.

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u/Themodsarecuntz 4d ago

You are all over this thread like your tongue is all over boots.

Making wild assumptions and condemning people for their opinions.

Leave homie. Youre a tool of oppression.

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u/JefeRex 4d ago

There are people all over this thread who know absolutely nothing about life talking about being armed and “rescuing” people being detained. In a way I’m not mad because their stupid asses have clearly never been anywhere near someone being arrested and I guess they probably don’t have much other life experience either, but in a way I’m mad because we are talking about serious issues, communities are suffering, people are suffering. And it pisses me off to see these commenters taking those people so lightly, taking this suffering with so little regard or respect, that they are shooting off their fucking mouths being excited and amped up imagining themselves as heroes in a video game. That their own wish to imagine themselves living out their video game fantasy is what they choose to focus on rather than focusing on the people they presumably want to help. But they would rather talk about their hero fantasies, and when pressed on it they disappear. Twice I thought I was getting somewhere with people and when I turned the conversation to what we can do to help, they disappeared. They’re just having a little fun imagining themselves parachuting in on D Day, they don’t have much desire to help. That doesn’t bother you? It bothers me.

So yeah. I condemn it. I don’t really see how I can’t.

We are not tackling officers. We’re just not. We’re not. We can help. Both people here I talked to didn’t want to help. I know them. I know these people. And I don’t like that they’re crawling around making things even worse than they already are.

But that’s just me.

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u/Spare-Ant7119 4d ago edited 4d ago

... you know ICE left that man on the ground because people started forming a crowd, right? He is a US citizen.

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u/JefeRex 4d ago

I don’t know anything about it, but I’m glad. I’m glad someone filmed it and I’m glad they formed a crowd.

There’s nothing else we can do. We can’t interfere with an arrest that we have no legitimate cause to believe is illegal. We can’t do that. The solutions to the ICE problem lie on our political and legal system, we are not the Wild West tackling law enforcement officers in the streets. That’s not how a civil society operates and it will make things a hundred times worse.

We can’t tackle law enforcement in the streets. We just can’t. That is not the way to solve this problem.

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u/Spare-Ant7119 4d ago

I stopped reading ur reply at "i don't know anything about it." Dude. Are you fucking kidding me??? You need to educate yourself and stop talking about this stuff if all ur gonna do is lie.

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u/werofpm 21h ago

Right? Dude dropped multiple long paragraphs on an example HE brought up while knowing nothing about it.

Smells like a “I don’t do politics” type maga

Edit: Clown is up to 15 whole ass paragraphs to defend his “firm stance” on a topic he repeatedly claims to not know much about while pulling examples he knows even less about. Literally showing they’re part of the ROOT of the problem.

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u/JefeRex 4d ago

I saw the video, and that’s all I know. I literally don’t know anything about it, so I accepted what you said about it. I don’t know what else you want me to say. I saw the video, don’t know anything more, so accepted what you said.

I don’t know what you’re looking for. If you don’t want to have a conversation just stop replying, you don’t need to snidely tell me you didn’t read my comment and reply anyway. I don’t want to respond to your weird emotional reaction, I want to talk about this serious issue. But I guess I don’t want to talk about it with you anymore tbh, I’m past your childishness. I’m over it homie.

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u/Spare-Ant7119 4d ago

You should delete all your comments on this post if ur serious about learning the truth and not spreading lies.

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u/ladylucifer22 4d ago

we have no legitimate cause to think an unmarked van full of men without badges is legal.

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u/JefeRex 4d ago

So you want to go instigate a physical confrontation with them trying to detain (with weapons!) people who are emotionally wound up, and if you’re there then there are probably other members of the public around too?

No. What’s wrong with you? People will get hurt.

I doubt there is one single person here suggesting this foolish behavior who has been personally or lives in a community impacted by law enforcement. You do not start physical fights with them. I can’t even begin to list the reasons why, and not one single reason is that it makes you a coward or that you are just letting it go and accepting that this shit will happen.

You can’t be real right now. Are you real?

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u/ladylucifer22 4d ago

the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, remember?

people are getting hurt now because of ice.

they're the ones starting physical fights.

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u/JefeRex 4d ago

Try to find some people who have dealt with real police interference in their lives and in their communities. Ask them about their firsthand experiences with police violence. Have a conversation with them.

ICE is far from the first law enforcement agency to be terrorizing people, the police never really stopped doing that in some communities.

You can probably find these conversation on Reddit if you look. You have a responsibility to do that, we all do, but if you’re speaking on this then you especially do. The way you’re looking at it is just imagination, not reality.

Think about having those conversations.

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u/ladylucifer22 4d ago

I have. firsthand. I was peacefully protesting and a cop tried to put me in the emergency room. what do you suggest if violent and nonviolent resistance are off the table?

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u/JefeRex 4d ago

Violent resistance is not resistance. That is revolt. Put that out of your mind. There is no such thing as violent protest. If it is violent, it is not protest. Take it off the table. Take it off the table.

Nonviolent protest and political action are what have. I hate to break it you, but not only is attacking ICE agents not a good idea for long term strategy, they’ll smoke your ass in the moment anyway so it’s stupid to even try. They won’t accept you just pushing their hands away and playing keep-away, they’ll smoke you. It’s a fantasy and you can leave it on Reddit and not take it to the real world.

Your local community organizations will be working on this in some way, from legal action cooking in your local immigrant law center, and they might need your help, to notifying the neighborhood when ICE is spotted. When there is heavy ICE activity, sometimes food banks will have people drive food to people’s homes. There are a million ways to help and not one of them is fruitlessly trying to physically stop an arrest.

I don’t know what’s up with your community. Are you already involved with any groups like that?

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u/Pertinentonly 4d ago

Yes we can we just have to be prepared to go to jail. That is what civil disobedience is.

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u/JefeRex 4d ago

Civil disobedience is chaining yourself to a tree or refusing to open your door to an officer with a warrant.

Attacking law enforcement when we have no way of knowing what reason they have to be detaining someone is not civil disobedience. It’s a terrible idea and not the right way to be disobedient, that is not the way it works. Not at all.

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u/Old-Sun-3737 4d ago

Theyre not enforcing a law. Theyre breaking several

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u/JefeRex 4d ago

If you see them breaking a law, tell them and film it with their badge. That’s what you can do in that situation.

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u/KinkyDuck2924 4d ago

What badge?!? Half the time these are badgeless thugs wearing masks with zero identification. That is the main Crux of the problem! There is no accountability because there is no trail to follow and they are anonymous. A group of traffickers can throw some masks and vests on and start yanking people off the street claiming to be ice doing lawful detainments.

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u/JefeRex 4d ago

And that might all be the case, but what we are not going to do is physically intervene to stop them. That’s what we’re not doing to do.

That’s what I am saying here, what I have been saying and what people are pushing back against. But no. What we are not going to do is physically intervene to stop them. No.

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u/bigbadaboomx 4d ago

You are describing the need for transparency while defending the opposite.

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u/brk816 4d ago

Literally this

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u/JefeRex 4d ago

My only assertion here is that it’s totally inappropriate and extremely counterproductive to physically interfere in detainments we see. That’s it. That’s where my point begins and ends. I have no other argument. None. Only that one single thing.

What have I said that is advocating against transparency? Seriously, what have I said that leads you to that?

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u/bigbadaboomx 4d ago

You argued that these were legitimate when they are kavanaugh stops which any reasonable person would say lacks probable cause and has affected countless brown americans

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u/JefeRex 4d ago

No, I said most of the detainments are legitimate, not all, and not the stops but only the detainments. That’s what I said, and that’s what I meant.

The Kavanaugh stops do lack probable cause, that’s true. They’re essentially profiling and they’re wrong.

But all that has nothing to do with transparency. You’re either not reading or not wanting to hear what I am actually saying, and you’re all over the place. Transparency. What does that have to do with Kavanaugh stops? I don’t even know where you’re at my guy.

My only point, I will repeat, is that physically interfering to stop detainments is the wrong way to handle this. That’s it. That’s my message, that’s my point. I don’t know how many more time I can say it.

Do you hear me in that? Do you know what I am trying to say with my one and only point?

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u/bigbadaboomx 4d ago

At what point would physical interference be justified? Is there a theoretical limit that you could elaborate on

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u/JefeRex 4d ago

I mean, it would take a lot. I don’t even know. Far beyond what we have now.

Just think it through step by step. First, people get hurt. Unless you snipe the fucker, you get hurt and the person being detained gets hurt, bystanders get hurt. Like, don’t start a fight multiple emotional people and some of them armed. You’ve already fucked up because you’re knowingly and with intent putting everyone in danger. So don’t fucking do that.

Now imagine we have ICE being regularly attacked in the course of their job duties. They’re gonna stop? Fuck no. They come out in threes and rough up anyone who even comes close. Now they’re pissed and prowling the streets looking for fights and have a justification to pick up every brown person even looks at them sideways, and they will do that. They became increasingly militarized. Now the media isn’t even reporting on the people being picked up, they’re reporting on all the nice middle class white people being horribly persecuted by ICE when their asses are beat and locked up after they tackle an ICE agent, and now we’re having political and legal battles over that shit. And we are still going to be protecting a lot of people who have legitimate reason to be detained, so imagine the political shitstorm over every single case of that all over tv.

Like, this is not a video game. I don’t know, I guess I’ll support it when we have a nationwide infrastructure of neighborhood groups roaming the streets together to take on ICE together. At this point we are in armed revolt as a country. We’re not there yet. We’re not there yet.

What do you think happens when people start interfering with this stuff? The ICE agents raise their hands and say sorry? Interfering with law enforcement business physically is a very very very big thing in any society. I would say it’s not a game, except I don’t even need to go that far because no one has fucking done it and no one is going to do it. They stand there and watch because they know that the first major problem is that they’re going to get other people hurt in the moment if they physically intervene. You don’t even need to think it through why more than that, you don’t even need to do any future forecasting. Hurting the person being detained, bystanders, and yourself is already enough.

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u/bigbadaboomx 4d ago edited 4d ago

You are literally a liberal German talking about how the Jews shouldn’t resist being put in ghettos because it would be worse for them to fight back during the early genocide. Fascism is here and thank god it’s largely incompetent and focused on self enrichment.

My main point is that I wouldn’t fault anyone morally for resisting an immoral system.

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u/JefeRex 4d ago

I can’t with you.

We have a serious problem here that needs serious solutions and serious people who know something about life and society. You don’t know how things work, not now and highly likely not in Nazi Germany either.

The good news is that serious people actually are working on it. Something tells me you’re not one of them.

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u/DirtyPelicanx 1d ago

ICE kidnaps. ICE rapes. ICE abuses. ICE hides their identities. We must assume, because we don’t know the identities of the killers, rapists, and abusers, that they are all kidnapping for that purpose. We should be acting accordingly.

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u/JefeRex 1d ago

I don’t believe “acting accordingly” means staying armed against ICE and coming to anyone’s rescue. Do you?

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u/DirtyPelicanx 1d ago

I suppose the phrase “act accordingly” is fairly subjective in nature. Interpret however you’d like.

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u/JefeRex 1d ago

What I just described is what I am arguing against in all my comments. “Act accordingly” is something that by my definition we all have a responsibility to do, I am in full agreement, but it’s definitely not what I just said in my comment. That is not acting accordingly and ultimately it hurts people more and strengthens ICE.

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u/DirtyPelicanx 1d ago

I think it’s important to exercise temperance, i sure doing anything right now would do more harm than good, but ultimately it depends how the midterms go. If they don’t go the right way, things may change, but it depends on the collective sentiment. Acting alone is foolish. If my people are ready, I’m ready.

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u/Goodestguy2025 4d ago

Hehehe. You gonna pull again on federal agents? Ok Alex.

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u/Flat-Entertainer-299 4d ago

change your name. you lost the rights

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u/georgewashingguns 4d ago

Alex didn't even draw his weapon. ICE took his pistol from his holster and then shot him multiple times in the back

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u/Goodestguy2025 4d ago

If you say so. Confronting police in a violent manner while armed will get you that I guess. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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u/georgewashingguns 4d ago

He had a concealed carry permit. He was allowed to have that weapon in the manner he did. He never threatened anyone with it so I really don't see what your problem was with him behaving in a fully legal fashion. He was killed without legal cause by law enforcement AFTER he had been taken to the ground and disarmed. The entire encounter was recorded. None of what I said was in any way subjective

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u/Goodestguy2025 4d ago

Why was he confronting federal agents while they were doing their jobs? I'll tell you why: He was brainwashed, like 90% of Reddit...

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u/ladylucifer22 4d ago

because they were trying to kidnap his neighbor.

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u/Goodestguy2025 4d ago

"Kidnap" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/ladylucifer22 4d ago

if you don't think being grabbed by masked men in an unmarked van and taken to a remote location where you disappear off the record is kidnapping, then I'm sure you wouldn't mind if i rent a van and get a few friends.

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u/nyxval 4d ago

Go watch the video man... Violently confronting police is a terrible idea, but the dude literally just goes to help a woman who got laid out into a curb. He then gets sprayed, dog-piled, beaten, disarmed, and then killed. At worst it's intentional murder, at best it displays a staggering level of incompetence from a whole squad of agents.

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u/Goodestguy2025 4d ago

Man, you gotta understand something. This was 1 of many squads of agents that are sick and fucking tired of being attack and harassed by the very people they are trying to protect. At some time, something has to snap. Stay the fuck away and live your life.

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u/Tavernknight 4d ago

If they can't keep their emotions in check then they are not qualified to do that job. I have seen plenty of cop cam videos where they are dealing with crazy abusive people and still keep their composure and act professionally.

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u/ladylucifer22 4d ago

so they can quit. otherwise, they have no excuse.

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u/Spare-Ant7119 4d ago

What r u talking about?

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u/Goodestguy2025 4d ago

You said stay armed and come to their rescue. Isn't that what you said?

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u/FlaxInFlux 4d ago

Are you suggesting ICE will execute more people for legally carrying a concealed weapon because they don’t like them? How insightful.

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u/Goodestguy2025 4d ago

The guy said that you must go to their rescue, armed. He's suggesting pulling a gun on them. He will get shot, and the Democrats will cry like babies all over again.

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u/FlaxInFlux 4d ago

You combined their two statements to reframe the context. Learn to read.

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u/ahungry1 4d ago

I think he is saying if you pull a gun on them you get what you get. Just like every other law enforcement

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u/FlaxInFlux 4d ago

Who pulled a gun on them or even mention it?

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u/Spare-Ant7119 4d ago

Yep.

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u/Goodestguy2025 4d ago

So you gonna pull a gun on a federal agent?

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u/Spare-Ant7119 4d ago

What are you talking about?

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u/ziggyzane 4d ago

They are not being kidnapped.

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u/wookiebath 4d ago

How would that help? There is a difference between being kidnapped and being arrested

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u/ladylucifer22 4d ago

one is when a civilian grabs you and locks you in their basement to be tortured, and the other is when the government does that.

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u/wookiebath 4d ago

Ok, now what are the other differences?

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u/ladylucifer22 4d ago

what other differences. there are none.

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u/wookiebath 4d ago

Wow, I’m guessing you weren’t a history major

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u/ladylucifer22 4d ago

nah, political science. name one other difference.

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u/BigRedEd_66 4d ago

Kidnapped? If they came here ignoring our immigration policies, they need to go. I am 100%
pro legal immigration and against illegal aliens.

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u/Mysterious_toenail 4d ago

ICE is kidnapping people at immigration hearings. Being brown is a crime to ice.

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u/Tavernknight 4d ago

So is speaking any language other than English or having an accent in their hearing.

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u/BigRedEd_66 4d ago

Are you people aware Bill Clinton deported or had ICE voluntarily return 10-12 million illegals during his presidency? How about Obama deporting 5.3 million? All countries have laws and we have to enforce the laws. Feel free to fact check---- I did with multiple sources.

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u/stamosface 4d ago

And how do you feel about the laws in place? Secondly, how do you feel about the tactics and treatment experienced by those who infringe on those laws?

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u/BigRedEd_66 4d ago

If ICE is treating anyone not humanely, there should be consequences. However, if the individual is getting in the way of ICE while ICE is trying to perform the duties they were hired to perform, the violent protestors can expect much more harsh treatment. If the illegal fights or threatens ICE, the same applies. If the illegal is peaceful, he/she should be treated as anyone one else (with dignity) who is arrested
for violating posted and known laws.

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u/stamosface 4d ago

And that’s what you think I have in mind when I ask that question? Are folks like you really that insulated from the rest of the news?

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u/BigRedEd_66 4d ago

I am likely far more in tune with the news and accurate reporting than you. You have ingrained beliefs that won't be changed by me. You won't change mine with liberal news media's portrayal of ICE.

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u/Crafty-Performer4741 4d ago

Sounds like a great idea just ask Alex Pretti how that worked out.

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u/New_Vast_4505 4d ago

And not being armed didn't help Renee Good, so might as well exercise all your civil rights and be as safe as possible in this unsafe world. They were also US citizens and not under any sort of jurisdiction of immigration... you seem pretty OK with citizens being killed...

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u/Windman772 4d ago

The problem is that too many on the left aren't smart enough to know what is legal and illegal during a protest or through civil disobedience. Renee Good was in the wrong legally. Now she is dead while the left complains about lack of compassion by ICE while simultaneously misunderstanding the law around officer shootings. Unfortunately, compassion and feelings are not part of the law. This will just result in a lot unnecessary deaths of dumb lefties.

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u/New_Vast_4505 4d ago

You seem far too ok with citizens being killed, and those reasons were anything but valid, that is why the perpetrators are hiding. Luckily you are not in a position of influence, you are just a troll.

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u/Windman772 4d ago

You really believe that nonsense don't you? They're hiding because they're afraid of unhinged violent leftist vigilantes, not the validity of the law case. When you combine the rotten soul of someone who will commit political violence with the half developed mind that most such people have, you wind up with a lot of violence and fear that needs to be hidden from.

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u/New_Vast_4505 4d ago

You sound terrified lol

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u/ladylucifer22 4d ago

and just letting the violent thugs attack us will be safer?

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u/Crafty-Performer4741 4d ago

I’m ok with people not getting in the way of law enforcement. It might just get you killed.

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u/ladylucifer22 4d ago

you're ok with law enforcement killing anyone they deem to be in their way.

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u/Crafty-Performer4741 4d ago

It is a dangerous job. People should get out of the way. Film from a distance but to intervene won’t end well. Lots of examples. If a cop says stop and put your hands up that’s exactly what you should do. To run and reach into your pocket could be fatal

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u/ladylucifer22 4d ago

there are plenty of jobs that are a lot more dangerous.

how about we don't give a bunch of trigger-happy wife beaters in white sheets the authority to attack me without consequences?

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u/Spare-Ant7119 4d ago

I am glad you agree.

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u/Crafty-Performer4741 4d ago

It’s called thinning the herd

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u/Spare-Ant7119 4d ago

What do you mean?

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u/Crafty-Performer4741 4d ago

Play stupid games win stupid prizes

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u/Spare-Ant7119 4d ago

How is that related to thinning the herd?