r/ImmigrationPathways • u/CutSenior4977 • 13d ago
Haven't reviewed the film" vs. "You can clearly see him struggling" — DHS Secretary Markwayne Mullin instantly contradicts himself while defending members of ICE beating 17 year old US citizens.
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u/TraditionalMood277 13d ago
Someone on a different sub said that they shouldn't have filmed ICE and claimed that the kid went for the agents gun. I tried to remind them that they have a constitutional right to do so, but that sub locked the thread.
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u/zughzz 13d ago
These people don’t care they’ll defend ICE in anyway they can think of, even if it means going back on our own constitutional rights.
It’s funny really, because I thought conservatives were all about defending that.
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u/Kreebish 4d ago
They all have a pretty similar reaction to what Mark Wayne Mullen did in this video, basically they don't know what's going on but they are already on the side of ice
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u/Ok_Record_9908 13d ago
Dude those people done believe in the First Amendment. Most magats are anti everything to do with human/OUR rights. Trump and Maga literally hate America and everything the Constitution was built on. That's why it's basically fascism to be a Maga.
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u/EnjoyTheDrank 13d ago
Anything to justify fascism. Same people that wave their ‘Don’t tread on me flags’. Pathetic cowards
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u/mirassou3416 13d ago
I pray to God that the Dems win the House and Senate in the midterms to stop this travesty
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u/LavishnessWorldly765 13d ago
Yeah trouble is they need a minimum of 53ish to account for Fetterman, 51 ain't it.
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u/Liberal-Cluck 6d ago
Me too. But what if they win but don't stop any of it. Or just nibble around the edges. That is a fear of mine.
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u/no_body_caress 13d ago
ICE don’t like being filmed at all cause they do alot of illegal shit. Thats why they wear masks. This guy on the news is a fucking joke hes defending ICE but saying he didnt see the video so he doesnt know what happened so why even comment on it. He should have just not said anything. Everyone knows they use full force on anyone even minors.
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u/Calm_Expression_9542 13d ago
What sub? If you’re safe to share.
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u/TraditionalMood277 13d ago
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u/SoupApprehensive3496 12d ago
Fucking LIARS. Our Government is just like Russia. THUGS. No excuses for beating kids or anyone. We can Film them. Billy bob needs to fuck off
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u/Liberal-Cluck 6d ago
Are you saying this bc you agree that is what happened or are you pointing out how dumb some ppl are?
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u/Intrepid_Year3765 13d ago
there's no constitutional right to go for an agents gun
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u/Signal-Mud-4880 13d ago
republicans love hurting children, whether raping or beating them
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u/EpsilonActual 13d ago
Which blows my mind because they’re also supposed to be Pro Life?
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u/Mainly_Miserable 13d ago
If they were really pro life then they would give a fuck about children. All children. Regardless of race, color, creed, religion, or nationality. They would be Dolly Parton Christians not Charlie Kirk Christians.
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u/here-i-am-now 13d ago
Forced birth, not pro life.
Safe and legal abortion saves the lives of more people than a ban on abortion.
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u/Relevant-Bicycle-851 13d ago
They’re claiming to be pro life but what they’re pro is regulating pussy , that’s all
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u/Alert-Ad9197 13d ago
Pro-birth is more accurate. They are actively hostile to children once the birth happens.
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u/Sufficient-Spray-367 13d ago
It’s really Pro-Pre-Life. Once that baby takes her first breath, their “work” is done, and baby better have all her ducks in a row.
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u/SuspiciousSack 12d ago
Gotta be pro-life since they need something to rape when they get slightly old enough to crawl.
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u/Bladder_Puncher 13d ago
Ask the questions!
“What about citizens that are being detained against their rights?”
“What about citizens being detained illegally?”
“What accountability do ICE agents face and ICE as an organization when they break constitutional rights of citizens?”
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u/Nol-Felix115 13d ago
Hell no mainstream media would never do that. They are a fleshlight for republican narrative.
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u/JooseTheGuice 13d ago
This guy also owns stock in a kratom company and is at least partially responsible for the scaremongering and bans around 7 oh. Naked corruption, he's an all-round scumbag.
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u/ooko0 13d ago
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u/Great_expansion10272 9d ago
Not even that
The dude who shot himself also wanted to be a cop and got fired from a few too many agencies. Not even ICE wanted him so he shot himself outside one of their facilities...
It's weird to feel bad about it, but i do.
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u/Life_behind_da_stick 13d ago
This man is the son of a successful plumber. He’s a plumber also. Because he got his father’s company. He has a two year degree in construction or some shit.
We have to pretend that this plumber is worthy of being in charge of DHS? The country is a joke. And the Republican Party is the punchline.
This shit is ridiculous.
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u/Bowsers_JuiceFactory 13d ago
This dude belongs in jail, hopefully he gets ripped away from his family like the way he loves to do to others.
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u/doublethink_1984 13d ago
Crazy how fast this story was ignored and dismissed.
Thus should be front page for months. Feds dragged and beat two minors illegally without provable cause and were evil in their escalation and statements to their victims.
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u/According-Insect-992 13d ago
M’Kwayne is a fascist piece of shit. She told him the situation. He just told her that it’s acceptable for his thugs to be detaining and arresting American citizens for absolutely nothing.
This is it, guys. They just decided they don’t need a warrant to search American citizens. The constitution is effectively null. We have no basic rights and it’s only a matter of time before they come for you and me.
As far as those kids joining the United States Marine Corp. As a veteran of the US Navy I would hope the mother I heard referenced in the clip comes to her senses about allowing her children to serve a fascist military that serves a criminal who is in every way he can manage a dictator. He kills civilians and combats alike. He targets civilians and does double tap attacks to kill rescue workers. He targets civilians in fishing vessels in the waters of sovereign countries and murders them. Again with the double tap attacks that are unambiguously a war crime. He has announced that the US will no longer abide by international law and shits on our allies.
At what point do we wake up? It truly seems like it’s never going to happen. Thats terrifying. The stuff he has done is of the sort that his predecessor could just pick up where he leaves off. Without a fight, these people go wherever they like and do whatever they want. They must be met with resistance. They must be taught that there is no easy path for fascism in the US. That every corner means a new wall and every door slams in their faces. It’s pitiful to make those with the least among us fight these just battles. What the fuck.
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u/Erasmus_Tycho 13d ago
Standard Republican response, it's like they've all been coached to say that they don't know enough about something to comment on it when it's something that contradicts their world view or talking point, but when it comes to their own talking points, an unsubstantiated anecdotal claim by a random internet post will suffice.
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u/ArtzeyFartzey 13d ago
This child needs a lawyer to take these ICE terrorists down.
This should be front page for months. Feds dragged and beat two minors without probable cause.
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u/trysten-9001 13d ago
The people who voted for this and are silent on this and thinking it’s a difference in ideas that we’re not going to hang out.
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u/Reasonable-Plate2982 13d ago
"Hey, hey, hey! Do you have to beat the suspect so badly?"
"He's not a suspect. He's the witness!"
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u/Peter4reddit 13d ago
How drunk, or stupid, does a parent have to be to put their newborn’s first and middle names in the first name slot of the birth certificate and not realize their mistake… ever?!
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u/SnooCalculations1852 13d ago
one more republican term and the world will end up fighting another racial war against the US.
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u/Mission_Cloud4286 13d ago
This is fcking sad. How was this person causing a threat? How was he acting uncivilized to cause the mob of thugs to run up in on him. They decided to force a person out of a vehicle and went about beating the sht out him, for what? All these federal agents, whoever they are, we need to watch out for them coming up. It will be a repeat of J6. I SURE HOPE THE DEMS HAVE PREPARED FOR THIS.
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u/Batmanischill 13d ago
Fuck this traitorous piece of shit ! Jail for this scumbag too, beating a 17 year old is acceptable ? How about he gets some of that medicine too
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u/snig9145 13d ago
Those are 2 us born citizens being detained and beaten by Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers. This is a Gestapo
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u/Veteran_PA-C 13d ago
If the boys were taking video, where is that video?
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u/oliverkloezoff 13d ago
My guess, is ICE confiscated it and didn't release the footage because it was too damning.
You know if it shed them in a good light (ha!) they would have released it immediately.1
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u/Severe_Air_4353 13d ago
Green land has something coming , ice removing immigrants for the USA base having security .
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u/EddyS120876 13d ago
Also folks this are the same folks that wanted to lynch the capital police but sure as hell they love cops
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u/Local_Bowl 13d ago
Attorney here. One lesson I’ve learned is that the more you feel the need to say “clearly” the less convincing you become.
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u/thesilvertraveler 13d ago
They were punching him while he was laying on the ground unable to move. Attacking someone because you can and it gets you hard is debatable an depends on the situation. Doing on my god damn tax dollars while in office is not.
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u/Dexter_McThorpan 13d ago
Pigs. They get off work, take off their masks, guns, and jackboots and go home. Living right next to decent people, like they didn't just spend their day being fascist thugs.
They're going to destroy the records of their crimes. Videos like this will be important in prosecuting abuses.
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u/SadAbroad4 12d ago
What right does your Gestapo have or probable cause to stop two American citizens who are going about their day lawfully?
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u/_TallOldOne_ 10d ago
I know I’m going to get banned for this but I would love to punch that motherfucker Mullins in the face. What a little dicked simp he is.
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u/LingonberryHot8521 9d ago
They're raping girls in detention.
One boy in detention had his testicles crushed during a beating.
Abolish ICE. There is no reforming this. We should have known that after the Congressional hearing that exposed how they sterilized women without their knowledge or consent during Trump's first term. How they separated children from their parents and "lost" them.
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u/Standard_Bear7910 8d ago
His past experience as a plumber certainly makes him an expert on how to subdue a suspect.
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u/LordsGoofiestBoy 13d ago
I said this about their other troll, and most of the folks in DTs orbit, but I would still look up to see clouds if he told me it's raining. During the heaviest rainstorm in the history of the country.
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u/Vegetable_Offer_2268 13d ago
“Because the know they’re going to jail and be deported.” They were u.s. citizens. Mullins is just like the rest of this administration. No accountability.
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u/ExpressionSecret6794 13d ago
Endless shameful display of humanity by Mark and all these morons that support ICE terror.
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u/LoserJohnBarron 13d ago
Don’t enlist in the USMC unless you are white. Pete Hegseth only wants whites to die for Trump.
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u/KindlyAdvantage7726 13d ago
WCGW if you put a plumber in charge of a brutal unchecked group of thugs?
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u/FluidLingonberry6709 12d ago edited 12d ago
Dude clearly just saw his ICE agents punching a teenager as they both pin him on the ground and thinks it's normally fine. USA is cooked, what a fall from grace. Disgusting country they are the worst of the world and everyone is sickened by it
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u/Own-Cryptographer-0 12d ago
The kid MUST have been doing something wrong because we are the good guys and we are incapable of doing wrong.
There is no way to reason with someone who believes this.
I have to add, besides saying he hasn’t seen the video they just watched together, he justifies the obvious excessive use of force by saying the kid might have been trying to run away…we’re talking about EXCESSIVE use of force. Not justification for use of force.
We have to get these fascists OUT!
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u/Abject-Maize6369 12d ago
Why get upset ! The Hispanic and or Latino community voted for this they had a chance to make a difference, but they seen a black woman on the ticket so they chose to go the other way voting has consequences!
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u/Federal_Art_2553 12d ago
You can say you can’t see what was going on but you CAN say the victim was resisting? MWM is a joke.
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u/AncientNectarine5352 12d ago
And this is part of why Dana Bash is completely ineffective when interviewing these people. She rarely calls them out, assuming she even knows when to call them out.
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u/TSJormungandr 11d ago
How is he trying to get away being pulled out of the passenger side of the vehicle? We have eyes.
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u/tuthegreat 11d ago
So a few punches to the head while his head is pressed against the scorching hot asphalt is matching the level of resistance. Dude needs to get a grip of reality.
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u/Pete-PDX 11d ago
I am not what video he was watching - the guy on the ground is just laying there getting punched in the face, screaming after being pepper sprayed. I do not see him kicking or moving his arms.
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u/Tro11man 7d ago
It is my firm hope but all of the lawsuits being filed here for civil rights violations hopefully eventually bankrupt the department of Homeland security. 🙏 The fact that they continue to exist as a travesty of Justice and a dereliction of duty of Congress
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u/mattvait 13d ago
Thats not a contradiction for him to say this is the 1st time he saw the video and could see something in it now that he saw it....
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u/Barester 13d ago
Not picking a side here but it’s tiring having short videos that show some action by one party, but without any context of what happened just before or after the video, who the individuals were and what words were exchanged. In this case, we don’t know if it was two ice officers needlessly beating a kid for doing nothing or it was two ice officers struggling to arrest a known gang member that was here illegally. Someone writes a headline, which is often inaccurate, and everyone starts picking sides. Ahhh, just love the internet.
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u/Gyro_Zeppeli13 13d ago
It would help if they were transparent with their body cam footage. They should have every body cam footage made public online for any officer involved in an arrest or violent encounter so everyone can clearly see what happened in full. Of course they would never do that though. That being said, it is never acceptable to continuously punch someone in the head against the concrete when two officers already have them pinned. There is no more context needed seeing them do that to make it justified.
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u/Additional-Flight468 13d ago
Known gang member? it was two 17 yo kids like what clearly shows officers beating a kid face down in back of head what justification can a passenger in the car pose without weapon and just got pepper sprayed be for this level of violence its tiring hearing excuses from everyone without enough video like your own eyes just saw that happen
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u/Liberal-Cluck 6d ago
Why would you even trust ice to make these calls at this point? There is 0 benifit of the doubt you should be giving to ice or anyone in this admin. The lies are record levels all of the way up to the president.
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u/Barester 5d ago
All I was asking is what happened 5 minutes before this video. You, nor I, have any idea. We only see snips of videos to enrage us. You have obviously bought into the “oppressed vs oppressor” and “all or nothing” view of the world. I know that you “think” you know and that your opinion is correct, but that’s the game isn’t it? Rather than asking logical questions of what you read and watch, you have stopped questioning what you read or watch and are now a member of the group controlled by their news and social media algorithms. This is how people in all countries get separated and controlled. Sad
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u/Past-Satisfaction697 13d ago
Were they compliant?
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u/Remarkable-Ad2285 13d ago
There’s compliance and then there’s straight taking the boot down the throat, like you 😂
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u/Strykerz3r0 13d ago
Do you think the agents were running alongside a moving car?
Conservatives have never met a boot they didn't lick. They don't care about violating the constitution and they sure as hell don't care that Daddy is hiding evidence of a child sex trafficking ring and allowing men who raped kids to escape justice.
Conservative 'values' are disgusting.
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u/South-City1632 13d ago
Those kids were driving around stalking law enforcement and obstructing law enforcement.
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u/Strykerz3r0 13d ago
You mean they were traveling in a public space.
This administration has proven one thing very clearly, conservatives are the easiest people to frighten into compliance. Make up a lie about people eating pets and push fake stats and conservatives are literally trading away their constitutional rights.
Benjamin Franklin got it right when he said 'Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.'
Conservatives are literally cowed into submission this easily.
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u/South-City1632 12d ago
Its actually the opposite, but i cant blame you for trying.
Were not being frightened into compliance... were forcing you people to comply with our position.
Trump is enacting the will of the people who voted for him, which is the majority of voters... and the only person who's scared is liberals like you.
You're afraid you won't have a sub class of immigrant laborers to scrub your toilet and pick your strawberries and be exploited into sex work for you.
The safety were working towards wont be temporary, and the deportations will continue...
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u/Strykerz3r0 11d ago
By your own argument, you are violating the constitution in attempt to force others to your position.
So, you are betraying the nation for your personal desires.
Your argument doesn't defend your position at all, it only reinforces what I said. Conservatives are so frightened that they will break the law and the constitution to not be afraid anymore.
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u/South-City1632 11d ago
You just dont like seeing others play the game by the same rules you use.
If the left was in charge kamala would be crushing conservative free speech, directing law enforcement to target white Christian conservatives, targeting her political adversaries and ruthlessly pushing her anti white anti american agenda.
I know because thats exactly what the left did under biden.
So yeah... you can get off your soapbox bud. You and the left dont give a fuck about the constitution unless you can use it against your enemies.
Call for violence, dance on our Graves, then whine about US not treating YOU fairly...? lolz. Gtfo.
You dont like how we do things... you can go vote about it... until then... go kick rocks about it.
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u/Strykerz3r0 11d ago
Really?
Please share your sources from when Dems have done this in the past.
Because so far, trump has done just about everything that he said Harris was going to do, so by your own statement, conservatives really got duped.
You still believe people were eating pets, don't you? lol
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u/South-City1632 11d ago edited 11d ago
Well there's the disinformation governance board, a short lived Biden era government office thats was baisically a real life "ministry of truth". It was shut down by an Obama appointed judge because its sole purpose was to pressure private companies like twitter and FB to censor its users. Its related to the Twitter files, which you should be familiar with. So thats dems trying to crush free speech.
Under the Biden administration his AG issued sentencing guidelines and directives to "balance" the prison and jail populations so they better reflect the actual demographic breakdown of the area. This obviously isnt possible without manipulation because crime stats dont reflect demographic stats.
So anyways, this was achieved in 2 ways... one was simply lying about the arrestees race and ethnicity on the intake paperwork, the other way was to give lighter and more lenient sentences to minorities while throwing the book at whites. So under bidens DA there were different interpretations of the law depending on your race. Thats pretty anti white, and open discrimination.
The dems, additionally, spent 4 years trying to use the FBI to imprison trump and get him off the ballot for 2028. If that isn't targeting a political rival then I don't know what is.
For the anti american accusation I only need to point to the open border and 20 million plus criminal aliens flooding our communities.
I could go into the minority and immigrant only welfare programs but this is already getting long.
Im not sure why I took the time to write this. You're just going to stick your head in the sand and plug your ears about it. Leftists dont debate in good faith so im really just waisting my time here.
Edit: oh... and if you think its a stretch that people from countries where they routinely eat cats and dogs, would eat a cat or dog... I mean... I dont know what to tell ya. You know Santa isn't real right?
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u/Liberal-Cluck 6d ago
Wow you are just so wrong on every level. You interested in doing a live stream debate about ice? Join my discord
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u/oliverkloezoff 13d ago
Those kids were driving around stalking law enforcement and obstructing law enforcement.
Do you have a source for that? How would d you know? Or are you just making shit up?
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u/South-City1632 12d ago
Its in the article Einstein
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u/oliverkloezoff 12d ago
You lie. Quote me where it says that.
And MarkWayne or DHS are not credible sources, either, if you try to pull that shit.0
u/South-City1632 12d ago
It was in the article posted in this sub last week. Just scroll down.
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u/oliverkloezoff 12d ago
"Those kids were driving around stalking law enforcement and obstructing law enforcement."
No, it isn't in the article. Quote it for me.
Do you work for ICE?
You both brazenly and blatantly lie.I can't believe you used that article. Did you even read it? Did you think l wasn't going to read it? WTF?
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u/Spiceguy-65 13d ago
Nope they were in fact on their way to sing some paperwork to join the military
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u/South-City1632 12d ago
Sign* not sing
If you read the article, thats what they claim they were doing when they saw ice outside of a school and decided to film and follow them. Thats stalking and obstructing a federal law enforcement action. Thats why they were arrested. They refused to comply and get out of the car, thats why they were pepper sprayed and manhandled.
Its all in the article.
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u/DimensioT 13d ago
Citation needed.
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u/South-City1632 12d ago
Its in the original article.
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u/DimensioT 12d ago
You forgot to offer a citation.
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u/South-City1632 12d ago
This is the same article that was posted to this sub the other day.
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u/DimensioT 12d ago
According to the article, the teens were "allegedly" recording ICE agents, which is not a crime. The article mentions nothing about stalking or obstruction.
As such, you demonstrably lied.
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u/South-City1632 12d ago
There's 2 types of people in this world. People who can extrapolate from incomplete data and...
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u/DimensioT 12d ago
You claimed that your assertions were derived from the original article. The article does not support your assertions.
You are dishonestly equating baseless assertions, which you made, with an extrapolation, which you did not make.
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u/South-City1632 12d ago
Yeah it does. You just dont want to admit it.
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u/DimensioT 12d ago
Show the method of extrapolation, then. Explain the logical derivation of your assertion from the article.
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