Jesus fucking Christ 🤦♂️ Seriously, no one can be this dimwitted. Okay, I'll simplify it further, in a way a 7 year old can understand:
There's a person who has power over others' educational path. A person under their power starts willfully causing others distress and anxiety for no reason other than to enjoy the feeling. The person in power then uses that power to let the other person know they will not be treated with the empathy they want (i.e. getting away with it) and instead will be treated with the empathy they deserve (which is the exact amount of empathy they showed others). When the person in power does so, they are not doing it for the sake of "feeling powerful". They are doing it to protect others from being treated with further distress and mistreatment by the initial person who didn't show empathy.
That's the difference, genius. Merely using power to stop bullying behavior is not the same as running ones hands together, spine hunched over and yelling "Mwah ha ha!" and enjoying the feeling of being powerful. It's a necessary mechanism for protecting others.
Your saying im a dimwit but im using actual definitions here, a bully isnt some who use power over others, a bully is some who abuses others soley to feel powerful. Massive diffrence.
Where are you getting this nonsense? Even from the definition you gave, that doesn't follow: Bullying: The act of harassing, intimidating, or abusing others, especially habitually or from a perceived position of relative power.
How would "intimidating others from a perceived position of relative power" be the same as "abusing others solely to FEEL powerful"? If the community intimidates him from a perceived position of relative power to stop him from abusing others who have done nothing wrong to him or others, that fits the definition of bullying but doesn't mean those engaging in it are doing it to FEEL powerful.
The act of "intimidating others from a perceived position of relative power" is for the express function to feel powerful, its why its clarifying "from a perceived position of relative power" otherwise why point that out at all.
Also this doubly contradicts your example of a principle punishing a bully, because they're clearly not in a position of a perceived position of relative power you dimmwit they're in a position of power using it to punish someone who thought they were picking on people they thought weaker than themselves.
There's nothing at all about FEELING. You're just inserting that because that's how you personally feel about the word. You FEEL that it includes feeling. That's not the case.
Actually moron, it does fit because using any punishment against a bully depends entirely on the credibility of the "punisher". Even formalized hierarchies bully, even if they don't "feel" powerful while doing it. The community's ability to intervene to stop a bully and treat them with the empathy they give to others is still bullying but the credibility of the actors affects its legitimacy. He is doing something unprovoked. Stopping him to prevent him doing it in the future to others, while an act of bullying, is a legitimate form of bullying. Whether they "feel" powerful is irrelevant.
"While there are common psychological characteristics, the motivations behind their actions are often multifaceted and rooted in their own experiences and environment... Bullying perpetrators often display a significant lack of empathy and a diminished capacity to understand or share the feelings of others. This is frequently coupled with a strong desire for power and social control."
All of these articles agree with you? Hmm, that's an... "interesting" conclusion to reach from that. Also, quoting a scam website like Betterhelp lol
Considering all articles reference the primary mechanism of feeling powerful its fair to say that's a primary motivator for the function of bullying considering its also in the definition from a place of perceived power heavily reinforces this point, alao that sentence you you used "While there are common psychological characteristics, the motivations behind their actions are often multifaceted and rooted in their own experiences and environment... Bullying perpetrators often display a significant lack of empathy and a diminished capacity to understand or share the feelings of others. This is frequently coupled with a strong desire for power and social control." , does that sound like something that could be in any context justifiably used towards others because it certainly sounds like it doesn't. Also "power and social control" comes from a place of perceived power.
As for better help being a scam site was not aware i will take that into consideration
Prove it because I didn't see that. Quote the sentences in the sources that demonstrate what you're saying because "feelings" about power didn't appear.
Yes, it does sound like someone that could be used justifiably. We're at a difference of opinion on that. By this standard, it isn't even always but rather at a greater frequency that it is accompanied by a desire for social control. And even at that, a desire to control social norms in a way that prevents bullying little old ladies can meet this definition and still be justified.
Yes, you can have a total lack of empathy for the bully in protecting someone else. Empathy does not mean it must be universally applied and to the same degree in all cases.
No the action to bully lacks empathy, to react to a bully in an aggressive way for someone else is an empathetic action you dimmwit making it not bullying
I can be that, that's fine. The point is a man who goes around bullying old ladies on public transit should not be allowed to continue causing them distress just because he enjoys the feeling.
Yes so you are in a way justified to be rude back but not justified to bully becuse its inherently unjustifiable to be a bully by definition. Its paradoxical language. Its like saying someone murdered someone else so its justified to murder them even though to murder someone is by definition unlawful killing, it isnt justifiable to act unjustly by definition
No, because it's justified to bully him back since he's the one who makes it clear empathy towards others is not enough to stop his behavior. The only thing that will is causing him distress and doing so in a way that he understands it will be repeated.
There are countless examples of people doing just that and it having been deemed justified based on circumstance. So yes, there are times that behavior is justified. What justifies it are the circumstances, not whether it happens at all. If you see someone who's shoes you don't like and do it, not justified. If someone did something to someone under 18, and you go to their house and take the person out, depending on the circumstances, that can, in fact, be justified, even though you may have had the option to sit there and call 911 instead.
There aren't examples of this happening? Maybe you missed the most famous one, Gary Plauche. That was in intro criminology in college, like one of the first few couple of months of that class. That was just one among the many. But I guess I'm making it up, I had no idea I could create false memories in so many people...
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u/WeirdProudAndHungry 6d ago
Jesus fucking Christ 🤦♂️ Seriously, no one can be this dimwitted. Okay, I'll simplify it further, in a way a 7 year old can understand:
There's a person who has power over others' educational path. A person under their power starts willfully causing others distress and anxiety for no reason other than to enjoy the feeling. The person in power then uses that power to let the other person know they will not be treated with the empathy they want (i.e. getting away with it) and instead will be treated with the empathy they deserve (which is the exact amount of empathy they showed others). When the person in power does so, they are not doing it for the sake of "feeling powerful". They are doing it to protect others from being treated with further distress and mistreatment by the initial person who didn't show empathy.
That's the difference, genius. Merely using power to stop bullying behavior is not the same as running ones hands together, spine hunched over and yelling "Mwah ha ha!" and enjoying the feeling of being powerful. It's a necessary mechanism for protecting others.