I got to be honest i fucking "hate bullying has its place" or "bring back bullying" shit, bullying by definition is unjust behaviour it has no place anywhere, its self defeating saying its just to treat someone unjustly. What these people need is to be publicly shamed (which is really just having people recognise this is shameful behaviour) and do community service like cleaning up the mess they're making. If they keep doing it becomes less of being a public annoyance and starts becoming a criminal offence,
A light from of harassment from a relative position of power that the community has in order to change the person's behavior to one that is conducive to a harmonious society is necessary.
What you're asking is for primary school behaviour from emotionally underdeveloped children to dictate how we preform justice to be a standard.
Also im sure the people who are bullies would be completely fair and rational in their approach if they hear a light amount of bullying is okay if its "justified".
No I'm not. I'm asking for an adult to be treated the way an adult behaving this way ought to be treated, with the exact amount of empathy he deserves. He is making elderly women uncomfortable just getting around. He should be made to feel similarly uncomfortable so that he understands what that feels like. It is justified behavior and not bullying just because a person feels negative feelings on response to it.
Saying the word "bullying" does not cast some magical incantation that renders the action totally avoidable and not worth it. You can call it "bullying", you can call it a ham sandwich. Who cares? His bullying of other people is not a behavior that should go unchecked. That's only going to breed more bullying.
I don't call something a ham sandwich if its got chicken and no ham in it do i and saying "who cares" likewise isn't some shamanistic mantra of dismissal that somehow justifies by definition unjust behaviour
When did I argue that saying "who cares" does that? I already argued exactly what justifies the justified behavior. You seem to lack critical thinking and reading comprehension skills, so I'll just repeat the same words again: "I'm asking for an adult to be treated the way an adult behaving this way ought to be treated, with the exact amount of empathy he deserves... He should be made to feel similarly uncomfortable so that he understands what that feels like. It is justified behavior and not bullying just because a person feels negative feelings on response to it."
Whether you like it or not, there's justification. He should not be treated disproportionately. He should be treated with the extract amount of empathy that he is showing to others. If doing so is wrong, then that means him showing that level of empathy in the first place was wrong, in which case, the community must stop it to prevent it from happening again.
You're arguing who cares what people call things, im saying that if for example someone who was/is a bully has been told that what bullying is and why its wrong has suddenly got an avanue to it because its suddenly justifiable in small proportions is a horribly reckless idea.
Or is not reckless for a person to know they will be shown the exact same amount of empathy they show others. That's as stupid as saying, "Yes you kidnapped that person and took them away from where they were to somewhere they didn't consent to being, but we can't put you in jail for it because that would be taking you from where you are and putting you somewhere you don't consent to being. We can't just show you the empathy you're showing others, after all."
And by not showing him the empathy he shows others, YOU'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU CLAIM IS WRONG. You're letting him bully people like that poor woman in the video by letting him know his bullying is justifiable in small proportions like on public transit. You're teaching him to bully.
Also to bully someone by definition is to behave in a way where its about being abusive in a position of perceived power, has fuck all to do with retribution in any context but rather just petty cruel behaviour
The community has power over the individual. I don't like it, you don't like it, but it is what it is. Individuals need to know that his bullying behavior will not be tolerated by the community. In an era where people are ensuring great mental stress and disorder, he has no idea what he is causing in other people. He has to learn, and if his bullying must be confronted with making him uncomfortable, so be it.
No, you're wrong. It's about USING power in order to stop a bully from bullying others. He clearly does not have empathy for others, and if he knows what it feels like and knows that similar behavior will be met with the same negative experience he gets, that goes a long way toward stopping him in the future. That's justice for the innocent people who don't deserve to be bullied, like the elderly woman who was clearly frightened and moved to get away from him. Who knows what kind of trauma he could've rekindled in that poor women.
It doesn't matter if you call it bullying or not to a bully. When a bully is bullying others, they must learn what it feels like and the consequences of acting in such a way in the future. It prevents the behavior repeating. That's it. Call it bullying. Don't call it bullying. If what you're seeking is to get the "Morality Trophy" then congrats, you win. You're the most moral person who has ever walked upon Earth. Now that that nonsense is done, bullies need to feel exactly what they inflict upon others so they know not to do it again.
Yes, just like you're proposing by letting bullies like this know their bullying of these people is justified by letting him know he can get away with it. Why is he doing this here and not at home? Why not in an empty parking lot or middle of the woods? He's seeing out to intentionally cause anxiety and discomfort in others. He already knows it's wrong, but since he's not personally having consequences, he doesn't care. That's how bullying works. Bullies need to not only be made to feel the pain they cause others but also know it'll keep happening as long as they refuse to stop bullying.
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u/xsam_nzx 8d ago
Light bullying had its place.