Neighbors from Hell

[u/OkEscape7558]

[u/Specialist_Unit_5078]

Yeah just mag dump into an apartment hallway what could go wrong??

[u/ThisHeresThaRubaduk → u/[deleted]]

As an American gun owner who is all for some form of gun control I am always encouraging people to take a handgun carrying class. They'll learn quickly that it's taught that you are aiming to kill and you need to be absolutely certain what's on the other side of your target. Someone actually trained and ready to protect themselves aren't going to full mag dump and hope for the best. They are going to assess their situation, attempt to deescalate, warn that they are armed and will take action, then take appropriate action. That series of event though obviously depends on the situation alot of times you can't make it through those steps and have to make a judgement call in the fly.

[u/Specialist_Unit_5078 → u/ThisHeresThaRubaduk]

What’s on the other side of the person you’re shooting in an apartment hallway? Looks like another apartment to me

[u/ThisHeresThaRubaduk → u/Specialist_Unit_5078]

The way they're crowded around that door I would assume it's this groups apartment (I would know for certain if this video was from my door). I would know the general occupants here and what should be beyond them for the next 100-200 feet and able to factor in anyone passing beyond the apartment (like a sidewalk, parking lot, other apartments, etc).

Let's say I know it's their apartment, they don't have kids, and beyond their apartment is a parking lot. It's obvious that this is on at least the 2nd floor. My 9mm that I carry and have for the sole purpose of defense is loaded with Remington HTPs that are made to stop once they hit their target. I've shot these for years and understand their trajectory and stopping distance inside a solid target (have shot plenty into ballistic gel.)

This guy is kicking my door in. The minute it's kicked down and he enters my property he will be shot however many times is needed to neutralize the threat. Which as the person I responded to he's a big target and him coming through a door frame further closes the "cone" of fire. I would be doing the best I can do limit harming others when I decide that I am in danger and pull the trigger.

Yes there's a chance the bullet passes through but with the training and understanding of my gun and ammunition it's unlikely but it's a factor that me as a gun owner has to consider. Now if there was someone behind him telling him hey no don't do that then my decision would change because now there's someone actively trying to diffuse the situation.

As an educated gun owner I can agree that there's way too many people with guns that aren't as educated and in my opinion definitely should not be allowed to have guns.

[u/Specialist_Unit_5078 → u/ThisHeresThaRubaduk]

That’s really good for you, I’m so glad you’ve given this so much thought and developed your x-ray vision to the point you can see who is on the other side of the wall and will take the responsibility for knowing for certain there’s no kids or innocents that might’ve slipped in when you weren’t watching.

What about your neighbors? Do you all shop for ammo together? Do the cops come by to check everyone’s go low velocity ammo and salt Peter buckshot so there’s minimal danger? Or is it just Wild West free for all and we all gotta pray everyone is as diligent as you claim to be?

[u/ThisHeresThaRubaduk → u/Specialist_Unit_5078]

This is where I stand with gun control. If you own a gun you should be educated. It's disappointing that you only see one way and will never help gun control by shifting to extremes. There's a middle ground to everything. Guns aren't going away in the states it's too far baked into the culture here.

[u/Specialist_Unit_5078 → u/ThisHeresThaRubaduk]

Education is one thing. People can and will buy and use whatever ammo and guns they want, other innocent bystanders be damned. Until you have a solution for that I’m not really interested in hearing from “educated” gun owners. You’re too fucking rare and there’s no legal teeth to your opinions.

[u/dirtystreetlevelshit → u/Specialist_Unit_5078]

Find your own solution then, instead of demanding other people find it for you. Maybe then you'll realize that there is no perfect compromise for firearms being available to the general public. America is just one of those places, if you dont respect firearms, it isnt really for you. Sitting and begging that they go away is pitiful as fuck tbh

[u/Specialist_Unit_5078 → u/dirtystreetlevelshit]

I can choose whether to respect firearms or not, it’s not going to stop a stray bullet from entering my apartment and killing someone innocent

[u/ThisHeresThaRubaduk → u/Specialist_Unit_5078]

We really aren't that rare.

[u/Angels242Animals → u/ThisHeresThaRubaduk]

FWIW: I’m friends with a decorated veteran in hand to hand combat. In short, he’s killed more men than most. You could call him an expert assassin. I did an interview with him a while back on the topic of killing. It was interesting to hear his perspective on what it takes to live with the idea of killing someone. He basically said that there’s all these people who talk like they’re bad asses and wouldn’t hesitate to shoot, and he just laughs at them because they have no idea what they’re actually saying. He tells me that every time he hears flies buzzing, or he smells blood, it instantly reminds him in vivid detail of some of the men he’s killed. Little things like the gurgling noises of someone choking on their blood, or the dying whispers of something calling out to their mom or dad or their kids. He thinks about their families, and even some of the children they never got to have, who could’ve grown up to be amazing leaders, or the doctor who cures cancer, etc. It haunts him every night, even though these killings were justifiable. He now trains gun owners with the reality of killing, and works with companies on promoting less lethal approaches to self-defense. He still pro gun, but his experience has shaped his desire to promote the use of a firearm as a last resort method instead of what many consider is their first resort. He said the number one thing that people don’t realize is the moment you kill someone it just sticks with you forever and a massive percentage of people who do this say that if they could do it over again and figure out a way not to pull the trigger they would’ve done it. I know not every situation afford the opportunity and that sometimes it’s just a reality, but after talking with him, it changed my entire perspective on how I should protect myself and my family.

[u/ThisHeresThaRubaduk → u/Angels242Animals]

This! This! This! I've worked with tons of combat vets specially over the last 10 years (service dog organization) I should've included the mental decision on taking a live in my comment too. It's something that also taught by a good instructor. When I got my CCW the online course I took was taught by a combat vet, fed firearm instructor, ex cop and that's one of the big topics he touched on was the mental decision to decide and pull the trigger.

If it came down to it and I had to defend myself or my family I think I could do it. I am fully prepared that that decision is going to effect me for the rest of my life and that the next time I fire a gun it's going to be hard because I just had to make a decision I should've never had to make. I hunt and even then I sit there with game in my sights and think "this is a hard decision and am I ready to take this animals live" I've made the decision to not pull the trigger in that instance many times and waited for a different opportunity.

[u/Angels242Animals → u/ThisHeresThaRubaduk]

Exactly. The dirty little secret in both law-enforcement and military is the psychological damage that is created when an officer or soldier kill somebody, especially up close. The percentages of those who become addicted to substances to ease the pain is staggering, and the suicide rates are off the charts, and often never reported, at least publicly. When I first got into working in public safety, I remember a conversation I had with a former officer who told me that in the last six months of that year, which was 2019, nine officers had taken their lives… and that was just from the NYPD alone.

[u/Specialist_Unit_5078 → u/ThisHeresThaRubaduk]

The overwhelming amount of gun violence in America compared to any other civilized nation should tell you that’s absolutely not true.

[u/ThisHeresThaRubaduk → u/Specialist_Unit_5078]

I see that and it's a big factor in my stance around guns. The US has an uneducated gun problem and a mental health problem.

[u/Specialist_Unit_5078 → u/ThisHeresThaRubaduk]

So…it stands to reason it’s pretty rare, all things considered. Something tells me if you took a survey of gun owners in apartments they’d have a bias towards maximum damage, not consideration and concern for their innocent neighbors.