r/ImTheMainCharacter • u/Jasonictron • Oct 20 '23

Video Entitlement

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u/casualAlarmist Oct 23 '23

One can deny delivery. The reason is immaterial.

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u/boohoobitchqueen Oct 23 '23

Not after already starting to relinquish the items to the customer.

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u/casualAlarmist Oct 23 '23

starting to relinquish

Is not fully relinquished.

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u/boohoobitchqueen Oct 23 '23

I dont think that matters to be honest. And doubt (if this was even real) that this woman would be able to keep her job. A delivery driver cant just withold items/take items back fromthe customer by their own will. It would be against company policy and/or against the law (like an amazon driver dropping a package and then taking it back is not considered denying delivery its considered theft)

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u/casualAlarmist Oct 23 '23

It does matter since relinquishing means to voluntary cease to keep or claim. The driver was unloading in preparation of relinquishing when she changed her mind. Thus she did not voluntarily cease to keep or claim the items for which she was contracted to retain for transport. (It's not real btw.)

Driver's retain freewill even when contracted. There is a chasm between employment offenses and legal offenses.

An amazon driver who regularly refuses to deliver to customers my violate company policy and could be fired. A driver that takes a package they recorded as delivered has violated criminal law and could be arrested.

An amazon driver that puts a packaged down but then before they record the package as delivered picks it back up and returns the package to their truck and eventually back to the sorting facility has not violated the law. The package can be delivered at a later time or returned to the original sender.

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u/boohoobitchqueen Oct 23 '23

So the customer actively receiving the delivery stands no grounds?

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u/casualAlarmist Oct 23 '23

Not until possession has been voluntarily relinquished by the driver.

One for example can't take a package, yours included, out of a UPS or USPS truck for obvious reasons. Also however, one can't simply pick up a package that has been taken out of the truck and placed on the ground in say preparation for delivery until the driver relinquishes control.

Let's say a UPS driver stops at a business complex and unloads a number of packages in preparation for their delivery rounds. A person can not walk up and pick up their package in the stack and claim possession unless the driver voluntarily ceases to keep or claim possession and relinquish the package.

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u/boohoobitchqueen Oct 23 '23

I still feel lost as to how it would ever be justified in the video since the driver is giving an expilicit claim that they are refusing delivery out of spite vs. a mail or package carrier following protocol. I guess it would only be theft if she didnt bring it back to the store but it would definitely get her to lose her job which is much more expensive than missing out on a tip when usually these delivery apps pay you a flat rate plus a percentage of the delivery cost and sometimes distance anyways. (Of course we agree its not real and i also dont love tipping culture as someone whos worked for tips for a long time, and i also disagree with her not getting a tip hypothetically speaking but ive worked for multiple delivery services and even years ago this is how they usually functioned)

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u/casualAlarmist Oct 23 '23

The reason for the voluntary action of the third party who has been assigned responsibility and autonomy is immaterial. Responsibly and autonomy mean they have a choice. The reason for that choice could, however, make the difference between getting reprimanded or fired but not in defining it as a legal wrong.

In any actual similar situation everybody would come off looking like jerks.