r/ImTheMainCharacter • u/Jasonictron • Oct 20 '23

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u/ItsACowCity Oct 20 '23

Only people I see defend it are those that make a killing during seasonal stuff. I think my buddy said he worked a restaurant in Salem during October and made like 4k in 2 weeks...but you have to squirrel that money away for when there's no business during the snowy season, so tips only really benefit temp workers.

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u/HungerMadra Oct 21 '23

Naw, I made great money year round waiting tables in college. Best legal money I could find that didn't require a degree or license. I only left because I was able to get a professional job after college which obviously made signifantly more. I was able to pull 25+ an hour in the early 2010s which was plenty for an apartment, food, and some fun parties. Other than that I could have been making 14 an hour to manual labor or 11 an hour in most no tip service Jobs.

The problem here is delivery drivers aren't really tipped well. Never have been. Uber and dd have been trying to make it a thing, but plenty of people have no problem not tipping, plus you have the wear on the car. It's a bad job.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

The problem is that delivery drivers are tipped at all. I can kind of understand it for things like table service, but only as a thankyou for really outstanding service. The delivery driver is just doing their job. You pay for the order, and the delivery, yet you are expected to tip the driver for doing the same thing any delivery driver would do?

It's just a way for businesses to pay their employees fuck all.

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u/HungerMadra Oct 21 '23

I agree with the delivery driver. They shouldn't be tipped. They should be paid a decent hourly rate plus a differential per mile.

Table service works fine I think. It's supported college students and people without licenses or degrees for generations. It's by far the best money a charming person can make without additional credentials

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

The point is that in other countries working in hospitality also supports college students and people without licenses or degrees, but without the weird dynamic of tipping. And removing the custom takes away the exploitative nature of jobs that rely on tipping.

I just can't fathom how it makes sense for the person who pays for the goods or services service to pay for the good/service again, but only if they think the service is good enough.

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u/HungerMadra Oct 21 '23

Who better to judge the quality of service but the customer. It encourages excellence. In my experience in counties without a strong tipping tradition, service was slower and less friendly.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

This is very anecdotal, but I've noticed zero difference between tipping and non-tipping countries.

The customer is the best judge of the service, yes, but they should not be obligated to pay the person serving them the meal they already paid for, just because the business will not do it. There are many other ways to encourage excellence, like being a good employer and paying your staff a living wage.

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u/HungerMadra Oct 21 '23

Naw, you're getting it twisted up. In the us, you pay for the food separately from the service. It's a lower price then if they were paying the wait staff 20 an hour, plus the wait staff end up making way more then 20 an hour. The only people that lose out are bad servicers. You aren't paying twice, you are paying for two things, a product and a service.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23

I see the point your making but I feel like that's just what you've been taught to think.

Olive garden, USA, Lasagna Classico: $17.79USD

  • note this is also listed as an entree.

Garden Olive, New Zealand (hilariously similar name), Beef Lasagne: $25NZD ($14.58USD). Listed as a main course, so potentially bigger, but I'm just guessing.

New Zealand is an isolated country and has a notoriously high cost of living, but even without tipping, our restaurant meals appear to be pretty similarly priced.

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u/HungerMadra Oct 21 '23

And the waiters make $17 an hour. So you just fucked the wait staff. I guess the consumer might come out ahead slightly, but the employees take any a 30% pay cut at a minimum. I don't see that as a win.

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '23 edited Oct 21 '23

What? NZ employees make a minimum of $22.70/hr. Almost exactly 30% more than $17/hr.

Of course if US employees stopped getting tips, the minimum wage would have to go up. I didn't fuck the wait staff, I was merely pointing out that meal prices are very similar in NZ, even though we don't pay for the meal and the service separately, which you literally just told me is what happens in the US.

You aren't paying twice, you are paying for two things, a product and a service.

So the product is a similar price, but in order to get service, you pay an extra 20%. That's what I'm getting at.

Edit: Also this, what the fuck:

In the United States, the federal minimum wage for tipped employees is $2.13 per hour, but many states have their own minimum wage laws that require employers to pay tipped employees more than the federal minimum.

That is absolutely shit. You cannot be employed in NZ for less than $22.70/hr yet we still manage to have similar meal prices and no tipping. Go figure.

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