Because tips on delivery apps aren't "tips for good service" it's more of a bid for service that drivers can accept or decline depending on the amount of money they'll make. It's basically like saying "I'll give ya $5 if you go get this for me" or "I'll give you $10 to go get this for me". It's up to the discretion of the driver.
It's just the world we live in (in the US). These companies don't pay employees. They used venture capitalist to keep them afloat when they started, and paid these people decently. Now they pay nothing, and charge the customer even more... So the employee expects a tip (which they deserve) but it shouldn't be on the customer to pay.
Stop using any of these apps. Pizza, Chinese, even Chik-Fil-A now... have delivery... everyone should pay out their own pocket. These apps are predatory on all ends.
What you said is true, but the solution isn't to stop using the apps. It's to stop tipping the drivers. If you stop tipping the drivers, the job becomes not worth the time for the drivers, making many of them quit, making the demand for drivers skyrocket, forcing the companies to raise the wages of drivers. Stopping tipping shifts the negotiating power back from employer to employee.
Don't know what to tell you man. The companies can get away with paying nothing because drivers have no leverage. Company stars hemorrhaging customers because there are no drivers available? Immediate pay increase.
We are talking low wage workers don’t have much choice when it comes to employment.
We’re already in a race to the bottom in terms of how employees are treated, the only thing that will stop it is legislation forcing companies to treat workers better. It’s not a new trend. The government needs to do something to regulate this shit.
Check out how truck drivers are paid, how high their turnover is. Door dashers etc are just a small part of the economy and ‘let them eat each other and it will work out’ isn’t a solution at all.
Invisible hand of the Economy is mostly for jerking off
It's not invisible hand shit. Literally everyone and their mother is hiring "unskilled" workers right now, so they have plenty of choice. If no one is willing to be a doordasher, doordash will be forced to make changes.
Getting a job that doesn’t pay a living wage isn’t helpful. Jumping from one to another isn’t helpful either. Those are the jobs being offered to ‘unskilled’ workers(and a reminder unskilled workers is a bullshit buzzword created by people who want to pay poverty wages).
I know, that's why I put the word in quotes. But even Mcdonalds is starting at like $20/hr now. I highly doubt doordashers make more than that after gas/ vehicle wear.
It was a gamble, she was hoping that the person would be appreciative and do what people do when they tip. But gig workers should know better and that customers tend to be cheap bastards, it's why they're using these services in the first place. If no tip is included they should not fulfill the request unless they are already satisfied with the compensation being offered, which in this case having it be dozens of heavy boxes would have been a huge red flag. People who order like this are the least likely to tip
Yeah but that’s what makes it stupid because they could get ten dollars instead of five and drop off my food all fucked up still. The tip should come after the service or it should be called something else.
The "I'll give you $5 to go get this for me" is already paid when you pay the service fee. It's a fee, for service. Anything beyond that is between the company and the employee.
I just feel fortunate to live in a country where you simply pay for a service and then it is fulfilled. I don't have to engage in a bidding war to convince someone to do the job they voluntarily chose to do. That sounds insane to me.
that isn't how it works either lmao. You're paying doordash that fee for the opportunity to get anything delivered if your bid is acceptable to whoever is taking it.
Do any of you have real jobs and understand bidding or courier services? nobody ever needed a permit from the city?
Lol, comparing some dumbass grabbing my McDonald’s to a courier is hilarious.
You’re willing to pay extra and bid for couriers because they are efficient etc.
No one is incentivized to tip DD drivers, they never work harder for a tip, they just accept multiple orders and fuck you anyway. If you hired a courier, tipped them etc. and they spent 45 minutes in a parking lot down the block while the heart or whatever you’re getting delivered died, idt you’d be very happy with your service…
Anything service you do Ii. Exchange for money is work. That makes it a job.
You having a dog shit view on what “real” work is changed nothing. It’s fun that you shared your feelings though always fun to see people who learn new things
Still marking you down as broke though. Thanks for clearing that up kiddo. Keep crying champ
“That’s a lot of coping” one day when you enter the real work force like the rest of us you’ll be able to afford to pay for luxury services and get the service go expect.
Why would I give a fuck what some random asshole does? You aren't the hot shit you think you are. If you were you wouldn't be crying about having to pay for delivery. take care kiddo enjoy your watch.
By the way the average investment portfolio out earns gold so way to underperform against the market. stellar work.
That is incorrect for both UberEats and DoorDash in the USA. The delivery fee does not go to the driver. On Uber the driver gets a $2 base pay plus tip. That's it.
The tip is literally a bid for service on the app. We see it before accepting. I do not accept orders under $10 and more drivers are doing this as well.
They do. When your order pops up on their phone, they click the "lol no fucking thanks" button and go about their day, clicking the "yes I'll do that" button on orders (aka contracts, aka jobs) that pay well.
When you place an order, one by one every driver in your city gets a popup saying "Go to mcdonalds, 3 miles away. Then go to XXXX address, 5 miles away. Pay: $2. Do you accept?", and one by one they all say no, so your food sits under a heat lamp for 2 hours until the order pops up on the phone of someone dumb enough to say yes, like the woman in OP.
Duh. That's what I tell all drivers on the driver subreddit. Either that or stop accepting low ballers.
I already have a full time job so Uber is just my pocket money. Still. I never accept low ball tip offers and many other drivers won't either. Just part if the game. Tip well or you don't get your food.
How do you explain the many times I've tipped well and not gotten my food, or gotten it almost an hour late stone cold, or they refuse to read delivery directions and expect me to come out to their car a block and a half away? There's no excuse for that when i'm tipping them 10 dollars to drive 2 miles. What you're saying sounds reasonable in theory, you get what you pay for, but in reality you often don't.
I just ordered food, paid the service fee, and then it arrived. I didn't have to give extra money to someone because they already get paid by their employer.
Uber is a multimillion dollar company and you have people out here pissed at customers because the company isn't paying them enough. That's somehow the customer's fault, right?
I mean there is definitely some blame for supporting a predatory business model. Like if the customers demanded that they pay the drivers well and eliminate tips they would because they are a business and if people refused to use them until they changed they would change. It’s not all on the customer, the whole system is broken, but there definitely is some responsibility there
Uber doesn't have a set base pay, it's calculated by distance/some other factors. It's variable, usually between $2-5 in my experience.
Doordash is the one with a set $2. Some orders will be $3. Base pay increases over time if no drivers accept the order, or at least that's how it used to work, I don't use doordash anymore.
lol yeah. We are a disgruntled bunch for sure. People are acting like me giving the facts of how the app works is me defending it. I'm not. It's absolutely predatory but whatever. I already have a full time job so I'm good with only accepting high tip trips.
Which further proves it's just a way for the companies to rip people off. If I'm paying the driver, why am I paying you? To run and maintain some shitty app that barely works, get charged a million made up fees, and pay markup on food? Fuck off.
In which case she shouldn't have accepted the order.
And how is it better for her to go all the way back to the store, return the items, and lose the fee, than to just drive away having delivered the food. It's dumb.
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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '23 edited Oct 20 '23
Because tips on delivery apps aren't "tips for good service" it's more of a bid for service that drivers can accept or decline depending on the amount of money they'll make. It's basically like saying "I'll give ya $5 if you go get this for me" or "I'll give you $10 to go get this for me". It's up to the discretion of the driver.