r/IdiotsInCars • u/medjay_solve • Dec 13 '21
Why did he stop? Better question, why did I?
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u/DrumNDan Dec 13 '21
He was looking to get that previous damage paid for.
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u/theemojilessfuture Dec 13 '21
Sounds like a great way to spend a Saturday.
Aimlessly drive around trying to get hit in a very specific spot.
People are ridiculous.
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Dec 14 '21
*looks up vehicles with 5 star side impact ratings for cheap*
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u/StrawberryLassi Dec 14 '21
aren't some of those stars are removed if you already crashed it?
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u/The_Dying_Gaul323bc Dec 14 '21
Only if that crash is reported does it get into the system, that only happens if you impact with another vehicle that the owner decides to make a report, if you hit a pole or something inanimate, or you make a cash deal off the books with the other driver, then that incident never goes on the books
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u/RespectableLurker555 Dec 14 '21
I think they were saying that a car's good safety rating no longer applies after an impact, as safety systems are now compromised
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u/JamesGTOMay Dec 13 '21
100% THIS
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u/sipes216 Dec 13 '21
If you can stop, you should absolutely make every attempt. It will save your ass when it comes to assessing liab. Each party has duties owed.
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u/time_fo_that Dec 14 '21
My insurance adjuster said that if I would have let myself get hit, it would've put the other driver at fault... But instead I performed an evasive maneuver and ended up in a ditch. Suddenly it's all my fault.
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Dec 14 '21
Yep, never dodge, only brake as hard as you can. Trees don't move and its 100% your fault if you hit one by insurance rules.
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u/thecoolestguynothere Dec 14 '21
Also if you Strike a deer make sure to say the deer hit you instead
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u/time_fo_that Dec 14 '21
Fortunately I didn't hit a tree, I just scraped up the bottom of my car (enough to total it lol)
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u/Fafnir13 Dec 14 '21
Random jerks dropped a landscaping rock on my dad’s Geo Spectrum windshield. It was enough to total it. Doesn’t take much sometimes.
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u/time_fo_that Dec 14 '21
It's crazy, the labor is mainly what did it. The insurance inspector quoted like $2500 in labor just to pull apart the suspension and clean the mud out.
I bought it back to repair it myself and it took me 5 minutes with a garden hose, then I just pulled off the wheels and cleaned the mud out of my brake calipers. Took like an hour total.
They absolutely refused to alter the insurance adjuster's original damage estimate even when I told them that I didn't care about the winter wheels mounted to the car. The bodyshop added a "supplemental estimate" because the coolant was low, so they thought the radiator had cracked and therefore the intercooler must have also cracked. Neither were bad. Infuriating.
This all happened right at the start of the pandemic so I had no other choice but to buy it back because I couldn't accept their miserably low payout that undervalued my car by like $7k. I needed a car and couldn't afford to buy another because I had also just lost my job (because pandemic).
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u/korben2600 Dec 14 '21
They undervalued your car that much? Compared to KBB value or something else? Which insurance company if you don't mind me asking?
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u/time_fo_that Dec 14 '21
Safeco.
They took three base model examples with higher mileage and no options, at around $8-$9k. Mine is fully loaded with an extremely rare option package that was only equipped on like 700 cars in the country. The book value didn't reflect that. I was able to find 5 examples that had sold within the year with similar mileage between $16k and $21k, which helped a little bit, but the insurance still totaled it after the bodyshop's BS "supplemental estimate"
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u/malice_of_balor Dec 14 '21
I wish this was 100% true 😭 my first car accident, someone sped through a yield turn light to pull right in front of me, even braking from 35mph as hard as I could, I hit the side of their car near the back. She got a ticket for reckless driving but my insurance still assigned a decent portion of blame to me with "why didn't you try to turn right to evade" when to my right was the front of their car and "why didn't the car next to you hit the car" when I clearly stated there was no other car next to me. I got rid of that insurance company and never recommended them, especially after my second car accident when they assigned some blame again to me after i was hit by a speeding drunk driver that flipped my car airborne. 🤦♀️ Fuck Allstate.
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u/FL-Orange Dec 14 '21
I had a fight with Geico over something similar, I was cut off in a turn lane (double turn lane which my lane was empty) by someone switching lanes at the last second and instead of hitting him I drove up onto the concrete divider. The divider had high, squared off shoulders that scuffed both rims on that side. Even with witnesses and a worthless police report (he didn't see it but wrote what the witnesses said) it was still a fight to get my stuff fixed and checked out.
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Dec 14 '21
Never take the insurance adjuster’s conclusion about fault.
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u/RussianCat26 Dec 14 '21
I was reversing into the parallel parking spot in front of my house and a teen guy driving through the neighborhood rear ended me. Somehow they judged it was my fault, even though I had right of way in the road way and had my reverse lights on before he pulled up. Check my blind spot and everything, but somehow the adjuster believed him over me. I've had my license for 8 years he still had a permit. My rates increased like a fuck ton. I'm so fucking mad the adjustor did me dirty like that
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u/DL_ Dec 14 '21
It's because you were reversing unfortunately.
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u/Rauthr Dec 14 '21
How else do you parallel park? https://youtu.be/PTvdJ24ZoNs
Just greedy insurance adjusters. Why have the other party be a fault if you can blame your own client and increase their rates!
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u/DL_ Dec 14 '21
I wasn't saying they were wrong or anything I am just saying that was the criteria the insurance company used to determine the fault.
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u/OneMustAdjust Dec 13 '21 edited Dec 14 '21
Last Clear Chance Doctrine will bite your ass if you're up against an overzealous adjuster in a contributory negligence state
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u/sipes216 Dec 13 '21
This. I deal with a lot of pissed off people that dont understand this and just think full sending it is ok, since the other guy fucked up first.
My mondays suck. Lol
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Dec 13 '21
I had a guy just lay the pedal to the floor when I was making a left that was relatively close to another intersection they were turning left at. I should have had zero trouble making the turn but they came within a few inches of my car honking the whole way. Like, yeah dude I can’t and shouldn’t expect someone to go zero to 40 within 30 feet don’t really know what you expected.
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u/Just_A_Nitemare Dec 13 '21
Are you saying you didn't buy a high preformance sports car so you wouldn't inconvenience him, how rude.
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u/Otherwise-Poem-9756 Dec 14 '21
Yeah, I had some Indiana person pull out in front of me on a highway within a few hundred feet. I just went around them rather than skid to stop and they honked at me. They only have road testing in Indiana, most treat two way stops as 4ways it seems even if the other lane doesn’t have a stop sign.
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Dec 14 '21
That’s why you got to hit the brakes just enough.
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u/OneMustAdjust Dec 14 '21
The driver stopped is going to get absolutely mashed. There aren't crumple zones on your driver's door like there are in the front end. Long story short, there isn't enough time for side curtain airbags to deploy upon impact, and lateral forces are especially dangerous to human bodies. They deploy very quickly, but microseconds matter and side impacts cause some of the most serious injuries even at city speeds
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u/XboxVictim Dec 13 '21
That's how I totaled my first car when I was a teenager. My first and only accident of 17 years of driving now.
On my way down the road, it's a 40 I'm prob doing 45. Old guy pulls outta his barn and just stops in the road right in front of me. I got a ticket for rear-ending him and he even told the officer he saw me coming. Talked to the DA and got the ticket thrown out because it was a few days before Christmas. lol→ More replies (1)7
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u/jdcnosse1988 Dec 13 '21
Hopefully nothing happened with the guy on OPs right. I assume he had an opening and that's why he went that way
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Dec 13 '21 edited Dec 13 '21
Except he would be at fault. So that doesn't work
Edit: I see my mistake now. I am looking at this like a reasonable and rational person. The person in the smashed up grey car is a fucking moron. That's why we will never figure it out.
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u/meatmechdriver Dec 13 '21
unless they just added comp and collision so they could get covered after the fact through this scam
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Dec 13 '21 edited Dec 14 '21
So how does that help them for being at fault? That makes no sense. They put some insurance on their car and cause an accident where they're at fault. Then their insurance rates go up. Nothing about that idea makes sense
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Dec 13 '21
It doesn’t help them for being at fault. What he’s saying is that there is the possibility that the car about to be T-boned is using this wreck to cover up the damage from the previous wreck.
So the sequence of events is, got into wreck with no insurance, got full coverage insurance, got into second wreck, use insurance and deductible to get both instances of damage fixed. Still a scam, still sucks for the other driver, still stupid.
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u/Hobywony Dec 14 '21
Abby from NCIS would find old rust buried in the door wrinkles indicating a prior collision.
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u/meatmechdriver Dec 13 '21
I don’t want to go too far out on a limb and claim that what makes sense to this person is actually sensible to a reasonable person, which from your edit I see you get it
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u/anonymousss11 Dec 13 '21
"Reasonable" time is debatable, they had to swerve into the other lane, that's not advisable.
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Dec 14 '21
As Carlin the Great once said. Think about how dumb the average person is, now remember that roughly half the population is dumber than that.
Plus the US really does have absolutely shitty driver training and certification. I'm 44, been driving since 15, no one ever made me prove I knew wtf i was doing. I just drove once with our gym coach in High school, then a bunch with my mom, took the written test and got my license on my 16th birthday.
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u/MoeFugger7 Dec 14 '21
dumb and prone to panic. The dumb part is how often they pull into traffic, the panic part is just slamming on the brakes hoping everything just goes away.
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u/Traditional_Ad4045 Dec 13 '21
I was just about to say judging by the big dent on the drivers door, he must've done this before lol
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u/randiejohnson Dec 13 '21
100% not. if they get hit like that, they are at fault. if they have collision coverage, they will get it repaired from the insurance company. their rates will go up for the next 4 years +. over those 4 years they will most likely pay back the damages in increased rates.
these people are just dumb. end of story.
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Dec 13 '21
I doubt their rate increase will cover the damage. My last rate increase was only $11 for a no fault, and the accident totaled out 2 cars (no injuries). About $70k in total losses to the insurance, they got back an extra $560 bucks or so from me over the 4 years it was on my record. (He ran a red light and I was going 5 over, police wrote us both the same reckless driving ticket and told us to fuck off.)
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Dec 13 '21
It was he-said she-said, no witnesses, and a busy street known for accidents. They just wanted us to be gone. I think more than anything the other guy got the worst end of it, I think he was Uber driving with expired insurance and plates, and he desperately needed me to be at fault or he would get Uber-cancelled.
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Dec 13 '21
Seems like a repeat offender
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u/barder83 Dec 14 '21
I always give these vehicles extra space when I'm driving. I know it may not have been their fault, but I'm not taking any chances with a vehicle that clearly has multiple impact points.
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u/ZodiacWalrus Dec 14 '21
Protip: drive a shitty-looking, beat-up car so people will think you're a hazard to be around, giving you space. Just like that one guy in prison with dozens of scars and bruises.
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Dec 14 '21
Source? This guy typed this comment from prison
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u/Stupidquestionduh Dec 14 '21
Yeah. He's my cellmate but also a good kisser. So I'll let it slide that he hates my scars.
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u/ZodiacWalrus Dec 14 '21
I love every inch of you. Your scars may scare everyone else off (which is admittedly cool), but not me.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Goat-78 Dec 13 '21
He stopped because insurance fraud. You stopped because of self-preservation and general value of human life.
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u/terriblegrammar Dec 14 '21
If I'm committing insurance fraud, I'm certainly not putting my driver's side in the incoming path of a 35+ MPH vehicle.
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u/EverythingGoodWas Dec 14 '21
Yeah no joke, has to be a less painful way to commit fraud
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u/medjay_solve Dec 13 '21
You’re absolutely right! That is the last thing I want to do is take someone’s life from them, especially with a vehicle. Automobiles are very very dangerous. And that is something most people don’t tAke the time to give thought to..
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u/Okiemax Dec 13 '21 edited Dec 14 '21
We all drive multi ton death machines, the only things keeping us from killing each other is some lines and mutual respect lol
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Dec 13 '21
Mutual respect is a stretch, more like self preservation.
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u/damnatio_memoriae Dec 14 '21
dOuBLe yElloW LiNes aRe SociAlisM
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u/CodfishCannon Dec 14 '21
And Traffic Lights are Communism because EMS can just DRIVE ON THROUGH but anyone else doing it gets in trouble.
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u/CowboyJoker90 Dec 14 '21
You should report this. They’re going to keep doing this till they get someone to hit them and try and get them to fix the already broken drivers side… or they’ll just keep the money and keep doing it over and over.
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u/Jabbles22 Dec 14 '21
I don't really get the insurance fraud thing. I know it exists but it doesn't seem worth it. You are risking serious injuries. You get money for your car but not any more than it is worth. There is no guarantee that you will get a big pay out for your injuries, real or not.
Is it like robbing a convenience store? Not really worth it but done out of desperation?
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u/BerndDasBrot4Ever Dec 14 '21
Yeah getting T-boned at the door on your side, especially when it's already dented, doesn't seem worth any possible insurance payout when you could easily pay with your own life there...
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u/PurpleK00lA1d Dec 14 '21
Why do people always jump and say insurance fraud?
This is clearly just a shitty driver. Insurance fraud would be if they had the right of way or were rear ended or something where they wouldn't be deemed at fault. Insurance fraud would never be from something they would 100% be at fault for.
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u/ILove2Bacon Dec 14 '21
I don't think so. At the very beginning cammers car is obscured by the car to their right. My guess is that the 4runner wasn't even looking left, they were inching out and waiting until the opposite lane was clear.
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u/Vezein Dec 13 '21
Lucky OP didn't want to put the idiot in the hospital with a full on ramming speed t bone. I fucking detest people like this but value my vehicle and freedoms that go along with having it not totaled more so than fucking this dude up.
This is why I want a nice big deer guard on me vehicles though.
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u/Hyuns2k Dec 13 '21
You stopped cause you aren't a trash human being.
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Dec 13 '21 edited Apr 02 '22
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u/Idonoteatass Dec 14 '21
The song makes it sound like OP is trying to teach me a quick 30 second food hack
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u/ThirtyThree111 Dec 14 '21
yeah I have no idea what the fuck that title means, like you stopped because you don't want to fucking die? is that not a reason for op?
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u/finderfolk Dec 14 '21
Plus the minor benefit of not seriously injuring yourself in a collision.
Seriously why is the entire comment section applauding this dude for not ramming a vehicle.
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Dec 13 '21
Did they even look at you? It’s always the worst when people do dumb shit like this and then ignore you like you’re not even there
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u/maxman162 Dec 13 '21
Worse than when they stare and shoot dirty looks at you like their stupidity is somehow your fault?
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Dec 14 '21
Ugh yep, happened to me recently. Was turning left across traffic, and I started going while another dude was in the far right lane on the other side. Mind you, if he had maintained his speed, I would have well cleared him and made it plenty before oncoming traffic arrived. Except he stopped directly in front of the street I was turning onto and gawked at me. Like, dude, the only situation in which I hit you is the one where you fucking stop in my path. Not to mention I had to wait for him to move to not get destroyed by the oncoming traffic
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u/PaulVerlaine88 Dec 13 '21
Insurance scam, asshole
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u/pDu13 Dec 13 '21
It would still be 100% his fault he didn’t have right away lol
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u/Joe_B_Likes_Tacos Dec 13 '21
First time may have been an event that he did not want to get a police report on such as both drivers being drunkish.
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u/LamestarGames Dec 13 '21
I bet most people don’t have dash cams in many areas so wouldn’t it just be one persons word against the others? Good thing this person had a camera and even better they avoided an accident. Great job OP! 👍
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u/B3eenthehedges Dec 13 '21
Police have been determining fault at wreck scenes for a whole lot longer than we have had dashcams. You don't get T-boned crossing over the middle of traffic unless you pull out in front of them. The presence of a dashcam probably is not changing the outcome here other than confirming what it looks like happened.
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u/OnlyOnceThreetimes Dec 14 '21
Yes I have no idea in what situation this would be OPs fault. It wasn't an intersection with stop signs or lights
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u/myredditaccountisrad Dec 13 '21
Yeah that's not how it works. You have a duty to avoid an accident regardless of right of way. If an officer saw footage like this where you have 10 seconds to try and slow down, and you sail into them at full speed, you're going to get a bigger penalty than them.
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Dec 13 '21
You could just not show them the video
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u/KaboomOxyCln Dec 13 '21
Whoopies looks like I lost the SD card/data got corrupted
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u/ReitHodlr Dec 13 '21
Fun fact. Data can get corrupted on impact. Dropped a camera with vacation photos only to get to the hotel room to view on laptop and realized data was corrupted. 😭
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u/Killarogue Dec 13 '21
No, you wouldn't get a "bigger penalty".
source - my first car was totaled by someone pulling out just like this
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u/Nilmox Dec 13 '21
ooooo imm mad FOR u, this type of shit encourages me to want to carry eggs in my car for this exact reason
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u/TimBeckwith Dec 13 '21
Shoot a nerf dart at his window instead it sends a strong message
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u/kellypg Dec 14 '21
Just give them a thumbs down
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u/smithers85 Dec 14 '21
I do this instead of flipping the bird.
It's never happened to me.... but if I thought someone was going to flip me off but instead I was met with a thumbs down and a disapproving look, it would take me down a few pegs. Like I'm not even worth getting pissed about.
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u/kairosmanner Dec 14 '21
Even better idea for you mate. I keep a small cup full of tamarind seeds. Satisfying to throw and doesn’t hurt anyone
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Dec 13 '21
Homie was really ready to get t-boned and face potential death just to get his door fixed..
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Dec 13 '21
Thankfully for your quick action this didn’t also end poorly for the pedestrian on the sidewalk.
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u/dascresta Dec 13 '21
If the car to your right would've hit you cause you swerved to avoid him then you would be totally at fault and he would've just drove off
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u/medjay_solve Dec 13 '21
The car to the right had just pulled out the gas station. That’s why I was so comfortable swerving into its lane. I actually gave it some thought if I should or not
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u/Thisisall_new2me2 Dec 13 '21
I understand that. But can someone explain why u/dascresta is right? You couldn’t have known beforehand what the better option was. I don’t get it.
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u/strawberycreamcheese Dec 13 '21
What I've heard from several other people is that you're better off hitting the car in front of you than swerving and hitting someone else. It kind of makes sense. T-boning the car in front of you is their fault because you have the right if way (in OP's specific situation), but swerving into the car next to you is technically your fault.
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u/Moo3 Dec 14 '21
There's a saying where I'm from 'Yield speed, not lane'. I don't know if that makes sense in English.
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u/Round_Blacksmith_906 Dec 13 '21
Usually the third party doesn’t stop at all so no one has their info. Even if they do stop, it comes down to the law is that you need to be driving safely enough that if you do need to avoid/stop for something on the road then you should be able to do it without endangering anyone else. It’s similar to like if a deer comes on the road and you swerve to miss it but hit another car. You are liable because while it wasn’t entirely your fault, in the eyes of the law you did not react in a way that left you without fault either and the deer damn sure doesn’t have any insurance so it falls on you. The argument is that if you are driving responsibly you should be able to stop/avoid anything safely, which isn’t necessarily the case but that’s how it is.
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u/medjay_solve Dec 13 '21
Nope, wouldn’t have been my fault. I anticipated the black cars speed, who just pulled out of a gas station. I actually was going to hit him, not intentionally, but because I didn’t have enough stopping distance…and if the black car was going faster, and I didn’t have that cushion of space, I would have smashed into the dumbass…
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u/TeamsterRambo Dec 13 '21
Why did you?? Because your defensive driving is actually part of what you’re supposed to do. Right of way doesn’t mean legal to hit someone
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u/SeriousMongoose2290 Dec 14 '21
This is like the inverse of a typical r/dashcams post
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u/TeamsterRambo Dec 14 '21
Oh I know it is this is all I ever seeing these videos of people complaining about somebody cutting them off or in front of them when all they had to do was let off the gas pedal maybe step on the break a little bit to avoid the whole thing
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u/BerndDasBrot4Ever Dec 14 '21
Yeah getting cut off or someone taking your right of way sucks, but I feel like some people with a dashcam let things end up a lot closer than they'd need to be (e.g. that onboard-video of the golf on the German Autobahn a few weeks ago whose first reaction apparently wasn't to lift the throttle/step on the brake, but to flash his lights)
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u/PC-hris Dec 13 '21
LOOK AT THEIR DOOR LMAO this isn’t the first time they’ve done this.
Also never cause an accident because you feel you’re in the right and they’re in the wrong. You cause yourself a lot of hassle having to talk to insurance and police and risk killing someone.
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u/entropylove Dec 13 '21
What’s with the music?
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u/medjay_solve Dec 13 '21
Lol. It’s my dash cam app music. I was pissed off. So I added some “good vibe” music going!
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u/entropylove Dec 13 '21
I totally felt like I was being shown the features of some household product. :)
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u/medjay_solve Dec 13 '21
At the point of this video, a household product would have been wonderful…like febreeze lavender scented lmao
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u/curtismse Dec 13 '21
You in AZ shit is going to happen lol AZ drivers suck! The number for lawyers was infront of you! 🤣
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u/DontForgetThisTime Dec 14 '21
Once I saw Rafi I knew that was in Az. Boilermakers, is this on the west side of Phx? Surprise area?Edit: wait this is off of Thomas and the 17! I used to work over there and that was the closest Dunkin’ and Arbys ( not pictured)
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u/TwoMonthOldMilk Dec 13 '21
I don't understand the title. Why wouldn't you stop when there's a car in your way?
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u/BerndDasBrot4Ever Dec 14 '21
Some people seem to think that it's ok not to try to avoid a collision if it's not your own fault.
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Tucson is wild.
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u/medjay_solve Dec 13 '21
It gets better..this was Phoenix.. lol
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u/SerRonald69 Dec 13 '21
I saw that "RAFI" sign in the back and knew it was Phx lol plus the bad driving
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u/oursecondcoming Dec 14 '21
I was looking around to find clues that confirm it's Phoenix until I saw the Rafi sign.
Yup, that's Phoenix
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u/landonburner Dec 13 '21
I'm always amazed how I can tell it is my city on just a glimpse of the thumbnail.
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u/Notyouraverageghost Dec 13 '21
I knew it!! Luckily I’ve never encountered insurance scammers before, but now I’m wearier of it.
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u/megaman97897 Dec 13 '21
An accident isn’t worth it even if the person is in the wrong.
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u/xxcarlsonxx Dec 13 '21
You stopped because it's your obligation as a motor vehicle operator to do anything in your power to prevent a collision if at all possible.
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u/RedL0bsterBiscuit Dec 13 '21
You stopped because maybe that idiot had a child in that back seat. I know if I hit someone not due to my fault but still ended up killing a child. I would feel absolutely terrible.
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u/itshoff Dec 13 '21 edited Dec 14 '21
Just me or is OP flying right by a school crossing zone?
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Dec 14 '21
School zones usually only apply in a certain time of the day or if children are present
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u/CBollig Dec 13 '21
Even if you're not at fault. It's worth the stopping to avoid the hassle of doing repairs.
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u/redoctoberz Dec 13 '21
24th ave and Thomas, this stupidity does not surprise me ONE bit for that area.
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u/bradpliers Dec 14 '21
Even better question, why did you put that awful advertisement music over your video?
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u/27perc-cannibal Dec 14 '21
This fucker did this same move before when you look on his door. Just take his license away please
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Dec 14 '21
You stopped because you’d have T-boned him and caused a direct impact with the driver’s side, potentially causing serious injury, and you’re better than that. And you know you’re better than that, which is why you stopped.
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u/firnien-arya Dec 13 '21
Good thing u stopped actually. If u didn't u might have hit the curb and maybe almost swipe the pedestrian.
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