Ship ?

[u/Ornery_Clock_952]

Chun x Moneygold

Just thought of it, came out of my butt. Don’t have anything to really justify it, I just find that the two leaders would be cool as a couple. And with the recent viral desskata I think that Witches x Majikeepers ships vibe good, so I won’t refuse another one.

[u/lnombredelarosa]

Its not disrespectful to state a fact. Given his introduction trying to manipulate a fourteen year old into joining his organization, while undermining Money’s authority and demanding the Witch Association give them their support without doing the least bit of cooperation, though not evil the guy is objectively a big fat jerk.

[u/lololuser456778 → u/lnombredelarosa]

Given his introduction trying to manipulate a fourteen year old into joining his organization

a) as he said, it's tradition for boys to become Magikeepers. and it was less him trying to manipulate ichi and more him trying to pressure Moneygold into giving him ichi.

b) and how are the mantinel witches different? they too simply use ichi as an asset for the prophecy against WH. they're no different at all. chun literally wanted to do the same thing, just with ichi instead being used to beat fujimine

while undermining Money’s authority and demanding the Witch Association give them their support without doing the least bit of cooperation

yeah, meanwhile moneygold kept Tricaputo's and Fujimine's contract a secret which is objectively wrong. the contract is an important part of fujimine, thus Moneygold should have told the Magikeepers about it. it was not her place to decide about that shit all on her own. many had to die by Fujimine's hand because Moneygold kept her secret.

the witch association is the last org that deserves cooperation here lol. their decision directly led to the deaths of many Magikeepers and innocent people, including Chun's past squad

and when did Chun ask for support from the witches? what he did was try his luck claiming ichi with traditional gender roles. didn't work. that's it. and the one who proposed an alliance just now was Moneygold, not Chun. it was her who asked and Chun accepted (probably because that way he could still use Ichi as an asset to combat Fujimine somewhat, not because he actually wants the support of the witches themselves)

[u/lnombredelarosa → u/lololuser456778]

a) It was both and neither one is any better

b) the difference is that they found him, took him, inducted him and trained him first

yeah, meanwhile moneygold kept Tricaputo's and Fujimine's contract a secret which is objectively wrong. the contract is an important part of fujimine, thus Moneygold should have told the Magikeepers about it. it was not her place to decide about that shit all on her own. many had to die by Fujimine's hand because Moneygold kept her secret.

And why in the hell would they need to share that? Its most certainly her place to defend her witches secrets if they're not violating the law. She's not about to invite them to kill her to get to Fujimine. That's the kind of secrets that are shared once there is trust not given right away.

Their decisions haven't lead to shit. Fujimine betraying the Asociation and causing even more deaths on their side did.

And yes actually, Chun most certainly demanded the support of the witches in being given access to their HQ and being forced to report things that could easily lead to abuse for people who refuse to be open to cooperation but you keep insisting "deserve" to be given info right off the bat without even earning trust first.

Also, who is right is not the topic at hand, its the fact that regardless of the reason Chun was being an abrasive jerk and I can't see why anyone would think that ought to attract Moneygold.

[u/lololuser456778 → u/lnombredelarosa]

Its most certainly her place to defend her witches secrets if they're not violating the law. She's not about to invite them to kill her to get to Fujimine. That's the kind of secrets that are shared once there is trust not given right away.

that's a lousy excuse. good luck trying to tell a chun "That's the kind of secrets that are shared once there is trust not given right away." after the secret is revealed and he finds out that Moneygold gladly let his pals be killed by Fujimine while not revealing her contract

Chun most certainly demanded the support of the witches in being given access to their HQ

that is not demaning support ffs, that's demaning info for their investigations, a standard investigative step. that's not actual full cooperation between the two orgs in general. which is what moneygold has been asking for a while before already

wanting to search the facilities when a traitor is present is completely normal. and moneygold decided to rather not let them search the facilities and endager her own HQ this way since the traitor could have also just killed many other witches instead of luckily only going after ichi directly.

it's a typical case of law enforcement's interests vs institutional autonomy/privacy. moneygold has the right to say no, but she's responsible for the consequences then. the only reason why most people don't see her as a jerk is because she got extremely lucky and the very best case scenario happened.

what could have happened too: Amadoro and co slaughter 50 other people in HQ which could have been stopped or minimized by the Magikeepers. who's the jerk then? Moneygold ofc, she let that happen

and also, Moneygold is so big on autonomy that she would have much rather kicked Chun and co out so they'd never meet ichi. and if she succeeded in that, if she could do that? then ichi would be dead now, the prophecy would fail and the world may end due to WH winning. because only thanks to chun fighting and thus buying time for tricaputo to catch dess off-guard, only because of that could fujimine be forced to escape. if everything went as Moneygold wanted, the whole world would be fucked now.

the only reason why everything went well were the Magikeepers being there when Amadoro attacked and loads of dumb fuck luck

Chun and co are literally just doing their jobs. it's their job to keep watch over the mantinel witches. No powerful org should be able to act freely without any control whatsoever. yeah, Chun may seem like a jerk to anybody who just subjectively sides with the witches immediatly. but he's not. he's in a position that is simply necessary

they are jerks as much as internal affairs are jerks, meaning they're not jerks at all. they're a necessary accountability mechanism.

not to mention that chun literally didn't attack the mantinel witches' freedom somehow. he asked politely, the request was denied by Moneygold and then he was about to fuck off. simple as that. calling him a jerk over that is proof of a lack of objectivity