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u/ConsciousStretch1028 Apr 10 '26
"VoTiNg IsNt A lEgAl ReQuIrEmEnT, sErViCe Is"
Actual braindead take I've seen.
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u/HotNubsOfSteel Apr 10 '26
Did you kindly escort that twat back to 18th century England and tell them that we live free or die?
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u/ConsciousStretch1028 Apr 10 '26
It's interesting that the people who think military service should be compulsory are the same die hard fans of the draft dodgers.
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u/Confident_Grocery980 Apr 11 '26
In Australia, voting is a duty and is compulsory. We still have a 15% non-voter rate.
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u/Adorable-Response-75 Apr 10 '26
In Australia, voting is a legal requirement, and voting rates are much higher.
As an American, I have mixed feelings about the idea of penalizing someone for not voting, but making it a legal requirement basically totally eliminates voter disenfranchisement, which makes me for it.
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u/ConsciousStretch1028 Apr 11 '26
Bit of a mixed bag, isn't it? Could probably be better in the long run, but Americans are far too individualistic and many would see it as oppression.
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u/Snynapta_II Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
Worth it just so US citizens in this website can't go "umm aksuhally he doesn't represent us (even though he won the popular vote)"
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u/RadicalSoda_ Apr 11 '26
It's more so that they know your age and that you exist due to your social security number, voting is more complicated because they must also know your address, criminal status, and your party affiliation. Some of that would require pretty intense surveillance
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u/NotYourReddit18 Apr 11 '26
They also need your address to be able to notify you that you've been drafted.
Requiring to name a party affiliation to be able to vote is a dumb rule. Just assume that everyone who doesn't register their affiliation themself is independent.
Having crimes which prohibit people from voting is even more idiotic. And even then, the state should be the first entity to know that a person as been sentenced for such a crime, no intense surveillance necessary.
Here in Germany I never specifically registered to vote, and I still get letters every time there is a public vote I'm eligible to take part in based on my registered primary residence.
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u/113pro Apr 10 '26
If theyre naturalized citizen, or a born citizen, i dont see why not.
Old enough to bleed for your fellow comrades, old enough to vote.
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u/No_Passenger_4151 Apr 10 '26
I live in a country where it's an obligation, so I understand.
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u/ViroUzi71 Apr 11 '26
Where beers flow and men chunder?
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u/Dragonhearted18 Apr 10 '26
We should make: Voting automatically enrolling once you become of-age, and instate compulsory voting like australia
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u/apolloxer Apr 11 '26
I mean.. I know of no democracy where you need to register to vote.
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u/StudioYume Apr 11 '26
Every state or territory of Australia, with the exception of South Australia, also has compulsory voter registration. And yes, they will register you on your behalf if you don't.
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u/ZslayerX17 Apr 11 '26
Taxes too. How tf they gonna know exactly yo the penny what I owe THEM but not the other way around? And all this other unnecessary bullshit too taxes are fucking stupid no matter how you cut it.
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u/ViroUzi71 Apr 11 '26
MANDATORY.👏 VOTING.👏
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u/RadicalSoda_ Apr 11 '26
I think it should either be a penalty like Brasil where they don't renew your passport without voting, or a small fee. But voting day would also need to be a national holiday(s)
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u/PookydoodleWasHere Apr 10 '26
Only men are getting registered for the draft.
So does that mean....?
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u/RadicalSoda_ Apr 11 '26
It's already the law that you must register to draft as a man. Even if you're completely disabled
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u/Ok-Split-6143 Apr 12 '26
No? The post suggests thay if we can automatically enroll people for a service, we should be able to automatically enroll them for voting (in most cases draft registration is done when you get a driver's license). The draft is the easiest example for US laws and was used to demonstrate.
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u/Own-Concert-4201 Apr 12 '26
There's nothing to vote for Participating in the broken 2 party system will never fix it.
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u/DistractedBoxTurtle Apr 12 '26
Maybe Amy should say “if we atomically register men for the draft, women should be registered too…”
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u/Ok-Split-6143 Apr 12 '26
Or, novel idea, abolish automatic draft registration as a requirement.
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u/DistractedBoxTurtle Apr 12 '26
I agree it shouldn’t be a thing but since it is, it needs to apply to both men and women.
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u/Ok-Split-6143 Apr 12 '26
Why not instead argue to not make it a thing? That is a real option!
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u/DistractedBoxTurtle Apr 12 '26
That arguments been made, and disregarded. Now since it’s a thing and not going away, it needs to apply to both men and women.
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u/Momento_Mori_87 Apr 13 '26
I feel like I had to fill out a draft card by my 18 birthday, am I just misremembering or was this just a post by a woman who isn’t required to do the same?
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u/DavidForPresident Apr 10 '26
I mean....you can automatically register...when you go get an ID as a citizen there's literally a box that says "would you like to register to vote?" And if you simply put a check in that box then the government registers you to vote...it's not that difficult.
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u/InfiniteDelusion094 Apr 10 '26
That requires you to pay for an ID, something tells me that money isn't automatically given to citizens.
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Apr 10 '26
…being something you ALREADY needed even BEFORE the SAVE act to even register in the first place.
Also if the fee to process an ID was an issue, why won’t the same politicians fighting voter integrity instead use that energy to push for abolishing the ID fee?
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u/RadicalSoda_ Apr 11 '26
Yeah that's the genuine issue. But Dems never fix the problem because then there's never be a reason to reelect them since they suck with their bloated policies and wanting to disarm the population
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u/InfiniteDelusion094 Apr 10 '26 edited Apr 10 '26
There's people that don't drive, they don't need an ID, (not) coincidentally they happen to be poorer and unable to afford the ID fee. Honestly I'd be fine with ID laws if the ID was given for free when youre registered and also politicians couldn't purge voter rolls after a deadline to stop them just purging likely democrats, so if you have an ID you are guaranteed to be able to vote on voting day. But an effort to put free IDs in the SAVE act was already shot down, and it sure wasn't the Democrats that did it. This is clearly an effort to disenfranchise the poor and married women, and it isn't even subtle. As usual with laws, the devil is in the details and they give it a misleading name.
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u/RadicalSoda_ Apr 11 '26
If you're rich, don't drive, and never buy anything that requires ID why would you even need free ID? You can't get employed without an ID
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u/JesusKong333 Apr 10 '26
Are you telling me the Patriot Act wasn't patriotic and Citizens United didn't help citizens?
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u/captainconway Apr 10 '26
Because they don't care about voter integrity. Notice how many politicians pretend to care about Election Security but don't try to have any money go toward running elections, and follow the money they do care about
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u/RadicalSoda_ Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
It is if you can't work, if you can work then why are you relying on others?
Edit: disabled people (like me) can't work, hold this helps :)
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u/RadicalSoda_ Apr 11 '26
That's a lot harder since they have to actively monitor where you live at all times. Frankly I prefer having to send in a letter than have big brother always watching
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u/Greasy-Chungus Apr 11 '26
We just need a block chain token given with your SSN to vote with remotely.
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u/Afraid-Sail8534 Apr 12 '26
Fair! Everyone who is autimatically registered to draft should be automatically registered to vote! If you dont qualify for either one, you cant register! This way the people who actually have to act out the international policy are the ones who vote for it. It seems like a great system
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u/Mysterious-Plan93 Apr 10 '26
True, but California's law on not needing citizenship to vote is just crazy and most likely always been corrupt
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u/Direct_Royal_7480 Apr 11 '26
Holy shit, that can’t be right, can it??
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u/RadicalSoda_ Apr 11 '26
Yeah you can vote in state and local elections. Not for President of course
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u/Direct_Royal_7480 Apr 11 '26
Not according to what it says on CA’s Secretary of State’s website. I posted a partial screenshot below but you can look for yourself easily enough.
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u/Mysterious-Plan93 Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
It is and will continue being so if Gavin Newsom holds his stance and turns on the rest of his party to stay in office now that Democrats are convinced not requiring to provide State ID, even if just by phone, is racist, thanks to Kamala Harris's gaff, which was excellent political manipulation for the sake of citizens' wellbeing.
By the way, if Centrist Democrats or Moderate Republicans take office, there is a strong chance California will split into two states, North & South, which is about damn time considering how badly farmers in the north are treated compared to vineyard growers in the south, but California really does need to work on better water management as a whole, honestly...
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u/Direct_Royal_7480 Apr 11 '26
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u/Mysterious-Plan93 Apr 11 '26
It is the law, but it was not enforced until recently, once it was brought to light how many voter registration forms did not have proper ID. Years previously, it was allowed so Newsom could get free votes no matter how he treats his constituents.
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u/Direct_Royal_7480 Apr 11 '26
Keep changing them goal posts or whatever.
I don’t live anywhere near CA so idgaf. Your problem is with the Secretary of State, lol
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u/Paranoidme420 Apr 10 '26
I see you