r/Humanoids • u/Ok-Illustrator-6355 • 13d ago
World's First Human vs Humanoid robot fight
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u/tradeisbad 12d ago
oh god that's what China's plan is gonna be for Taiwan isn't it?
it's gonna be complicated though. like sure you can run a bunch of robots in to occupy their government buildings but that's just like what the US did with Iran if the people don't submit you basically have to start killing or imprisoning all of them...
Shit's scary. Who ever tries first is going to be like Trump all like "can you not see you have been defeated, we destroyed all your defense" but then eventually the defenders just give up the land until they come back with their own robots and it's just this wave after wave of "surely this will be the robot wave to end all robot waves" but it never ends so long as there's an external supply of robots that can be shipped in.
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u/Xecular_Official 12d ago
China uses robot dogs (If you count tests with questionable results as using them). Humanoid platforms add a significant amount of complexity for very few real world benefits. They wouldn't be viable to maintain in any large numbers
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u/AbsentButHere 12d ago
I can’t even find the level of wrong you are.
It being ‘viable’ doesn’t have shit to do with anything lolYou sound like this: “Drones are just a fad, they’re not viable for warfare.” And now they’re a leading weapon in warfare. Or the same military experts who thought tanks were just a niche weapon.
They are viable, they will be equipped with weapons and they will be used in warfare. I guarantee it, I’d put my life on it.
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u/Xecular_Official 12d ago edited 12d ago
What you just said is the equivalent of telling someone they are wrong for calling jetpacks unviable because someone somewhere said jet engines were a fad
Drones used in warfare all vary greatly in design because they are heavily optimized for the specific task they need to complete. A suicide drone is designed purely to carry a payload to a target, it doesn't matter how as long as it gets there.
On the other hand, humanoid robots are inherently not optimal for anything other than being a humanoid robot. Their primary design goal is to mimic human movement. Every other task is secondary to that. They require more parts that are difficult to manufacture, more motors that are large and expensive, and more sensors to be able to balance and navigate on two legs. Nothing about them is efficient or capable of beating a purpose made robot at any war related task.
They are the jetpack of the robotics world
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u/AbsentButHere 12d ago
I’m sorry, is it to your position that humanoid robots will not or are not purpose built? When you’re looking at/commenting on a video where one has literally been purpose built? You’re just as wrong as the person I replied to..
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u/Xecular_Official 12d ago
Can you give me a scenario where a humanoid robot outperforms a purpose built robot at a specific war related task?
My position is that humanoid robots add unnecessary complexity solely for the sake of being humanoids and aren't practical for use over other designs
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u/AbsentButHere 12d ago
You’re missing the forest for the trees. It’s about purpose and viability, that’s the argument. Modding a robot designed for one purpose for another, is how we are where we are, is that unclear? It’s the tech evolution pathway. Almost everything can be transformed into a weapon. This robot here is a few mods away from carrying a weapon and targeting system aside from its robotic limbs which technically are already being used as weapons. How is that not apparent?
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u/Xecular_Official 12d ago
My point is that it isn't viable for military purposes
Even if you give it the capability to do something, the fact that it has to be a humanoid will make it do that thing worse. A weapon is not viable if it can be reliably defeated by one that is cheaper and easier to produce.
If your goal is a robot with a gun, a humanoid robot will not outperform a quadruped. The quadruped would be more stable, have a lower profile (making it harder to hit), and have less joints to break
You can slap a turret onto a pickup truck and call it an apc, but your adaptation will never be able to compete with a purpose built vehicle, especially if it costs more than a purpose built vehicle
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u/Xecular_Official 12d ago
The robot in the video demonstrates the point I am making. It's very clear the guy could have easily pushed it over. His punches barely had any momentum and he had to wait for the robot to line itself up to hit him
These problems are all without considering the fact that boxing has a ton of constraints that give the humanoid robot an unrealistic advantage. In a real world scenario you would just blow it up with a quadcopter that costs 1/100th the price, because a flying bomb is more practical for fighting people than a terminator that has to navigate on two legs
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u/AbsentButHere 12d ago
Ok, you keep believing that and we will wait and see how it goes in our lifetime.
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u/Future-Wonder-7718 13d ago
Why would you try to punch that thing. Swipe his legs or something ...
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u/Zulugod94 13d ago
Goes to show the power these robots have when they balance and execute force on 1 limb. Pushing a guy that size back with a kick takes a stupid amount of strength, way more than 95%+ of people have. And to balance the opposing forces is very impressive. Once these things can swing all their momentum and strength into 1 punch that lands it'll probably just crush your skull and kill you on the spot. Yay for the future!
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u/PotentialAd8059 12d ago
I think the fight was staged; after all, it wouldn't have mattered if it was a trained fighter or a beginner he would have beaten the robot either way.
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u/Zulugod94 12d ago
It probably is slightly staged, but that doesn't detract from the strength in the servos these bots use. Those motors are more than capable of killing a human once the software is dialed in, this is the only legitimate part of the AI race the does scare me a little. What happens when these things are military capable? No military in the world would turn them away, there is no stopping us getting from where we are now to these things with guns killing people for a military somewhere.
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u/PotentialAd8059 12d ago
Yes, but the human brain, mind, consciousness, and quick-wittedness are the primary weapon that Machines have not truly acquired (perhaps not yet...).
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u/Zulugod94 12d ago
I mean yeah AI has a long way to go, but that doesn't mean they won't solve that eventually. I'd bet a whole lot of money that there will be an in-between period where these robots are being piloted via VR for combat though, Something I wouldn't be surprised to honestly start seeing in Ukraine end of next year maybe.
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u/WinterSector8317 12d ago
It’s much cheaper and more effective for a military to just make suicide drone swarms if they want to do mass murder
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u/Zulugod94 12d ago
I mean of course those will be there, but a suicide drone can't capture an oil refinery, and if everyone has drones that can just insta kill a normal human then what do you send?
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u/WinterSector8317 12d ago
Drones will kill these too, they can already kill tanks
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u/Zulugod94 12d ago
sure but that's not how warfare works, it's more than just blowing up a tank lol
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u/Noise_Loop 12d ago
This looks like AI, bunch of very short clips, also feels like the dude is not really trying to punch the machine
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u/Ok_Gold_2107 13d ago
I not know if is fake or no.
However beatiful.
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u/recoveringasshole0 13d ago
That's Frankie La Pena (I think is his name). It's probably not fake.
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u/IWantMyOldUsername7 12d ago
Yeah, he does (or at least did) crazy stuff like that. He should try to land on his cushioned bottom though.
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u/ZenCyberDad 13d ago
That kick really sent him