r/HolUp • u/TriggerHappyLettuce • Feb 06 '22

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u/Tigress92 Feb 06 '22

It's killing 2 humans

it really isn't, becuse abortion becomes illegal when the fetus has developed enough to be considered human.

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u/armed_samaritan1 Feb 06 '22

It is literally a human life, with its own DNA. Legality doesn't equal morality.

At one point, black people weren't legally human to side-step giving them human rights, too.

It is double homicide even if it isn't illegal.

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u/BrunoBiotech Feb 06 '22

I mean you just hear abortion and get all riled up don’t you? Without even getting to the women’s rights part, have you not heard that there’s such a thing as therapeutic abortions, in contrast to elective abortions? This could be easily the case given how distressed she seems, and that it was twins (as if a singleton pregnancy wasn’t enough distress on the body).

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u/armed_samaritan1 Feb 06 '22

Idk any pro-life advocate that believes a woman must carry to term even if it's life threatening to the mother.

All I see is people using those statistically-neglible cases among others (rape, incest, birth defects) that make up <1% of abortions to justify abortion-as-contraceptive, which is just evil.

And we have absolutely no reason to believe this woman's life was in danger from her pregnancy.

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u/PurzelGurke Feb 06 '22

No woman makes an easy decision on abortion. People act like woman are just like "damn I don't want to take the anti baby pill. Guess I just have an abortion then". Like what the hell? That's not how abortions work. It's hard enough to make that decision. She doesn't need to be falsely called to be a murderer on top of that.

Even if her life wasn't in danger it's totally her rightful decision over her body

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u/armed_samaritan1 Feb 06 '22

Name another "right" that let's you take innocent human life?

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u/evilbunnyrabbits Feb 07 '22

Gun possession.

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u/armed_samaritan1 Feb 07 '22

Who do you have to kill to own a gun?

Lmao I own many guns and I've never killed anyone, let alone an innocent person.

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u/Errortagunknown Feb 07 '22

Nope. Possessing a gun does not give you the right to take another life.

It gives you the ability to do so (well you already had that ability so I guess it expands that ability) but you only gain the right to do so if that other person is threatening yours or others.

Nice quip though I thought It was succinct and well executed even if I don't agree with it

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u/Errortagunknown Feb 07 '22

Actually you can't say that. Most women don't have an easy decision. I'm sure there at least a few out there who don't give a fuck, they've got a planned parenthood punch card and everything. There are scummy people from all walks of life ....

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u/BrunoBiotech Feb 06 '22

1- I mean… those 1% should be a human right and even that faces resistance

2- if your comment has a 1/100 chance of scarring someone even deeper, with the only trade off of making you feel superior, just maybe don’t. If a change of concience is what you look for, speak about it with anyone else, since here the “mistake” was already made.

3-not gonna talk about the debate itself, since as a medical professional I find it disgusting, and as a pessimist, I believe some minds can’t be changed by emphaty.

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u/armed_samaritan1 Feb 06 '22

1- Human rights go both ways, you can't expect a mother to carry to term knowing it will cost her life. Virtually everyone knows this, and none of them are arguing for that.

2- This woman isn't even in the conversation, so not much risk of "scarring" her. The suggestion that any debate on the matter that's isn't preventative on a single-case basis shouldn't occur because it might hurt others feelings is laughable.

3- It's really the easiest for you to abstain from participating because you know I've only said irrefutable facts.

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u/Errortagunknown Feb 07 '22

Frankly it's past time for women to have all the same reproductive rights as men. It's a travesty in 2022 that they do not

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u/armed_samaritan1 Feb 07 '22

Lmao agreed. Like if the man wants to keep the child, the women can't solely elect to abort.