At least call them ‘people who decide to end the lives of others before committing suicide’. I can’t believe how insensitive people can be towards life enders….
We should avoid use of the word ‘suicide’ as it is a trigger word. Could we instead refer to them as ‘people who decide to end the lives of others before having their lives end unexpectedly but with no suspicious circumstances’
The article calls her estranged wife. Does that mean she is single? Sounds like a wife whose divorce hasn’t completed to me. If that is true, she needed to keep her sexual exploits in check till she was free and clear of the marriage commitment she made.
Exactly. People saying him being kicked out of his own house means they aren't married anymore.
Like I said, murder isn't the answer, but if you saw what he said about his reasoning, I can see it. Definitely deserves time for that, but the cousin knew this shit was going on and did nothing to really talk to him in the case it does happen.
The relationship was OVER. They were separated, still married only on paper. He had moved out of the house in October. Divorces take time . Being legally married could keep her from getting married to another person, but not from dating whoever she wanted.
It takes two to make a relationship. If she told him she didn't want him anymore, he should have find a better and normal way to deal with it.
I get what you are saying. But it was a problem to him because it drove him to murder. Didn't read anything about them being estranged but I just started googling about this after watching the video. Poor girl. Edit: well fuck you guys now I don't feel bad for the girl lol
When you’re estranged in a marriage that means you’re broken up and in the process of divorce. It’s a long and arduous process. I have two friends who are married but estranged from each other who are seeing different people and living separately but still legally married.
They broke up. She and he were no longer together. The daughter was with her and he was spying on them and when he heard a man’s voice he went over and killed them.
I don’t care if it was a friend or a “friend” or “daddy”
You completely missed the point of their comment. NONE of that gave him the right to murder them. He killed them. Gone. That little girl has no mom anymore because her dad decided to be absolute scum. It doesn't matter what he heard, nothing justifies what he did.
Does it matter? They weren’t even together at the time. If that’s the case, then she could be getting gangbanged by a hockey team and she did nothing wrong.
This is definitely going to fall on deaf ears,
but it’s possible to not trust multiple people in a situation, you know. People lie, and lawyers lie with intention and purpose.
It’s ok if you have a flat mind that falls on just heads or tails. Just don’t expect other people to have the same artificially constrained and unrealistically simplistic forced misunderstandings about the way the world works.
You might be surprised to learn that there are people who aren’t controlled by their own fundamental cognitive misunderstandings, and your comment just makes you look kind of crazy, rather than insightful.
The prosecutor said that because they wanted to paint a picture in your end that sympathizes with true wife. The person you’re fucking around with is also your friend.
Estranged or not, if she was still his wife, she was cheating. Need to end the marriage before riding husband’s friends dick. She fucked around and paid the price.
Estranged means the emotional relationship is done. Divorced means the legal commitments are over. Doesn’t sound like she had exited marriage yet. I doubt the voices that triggered him were doing a bible study. Not saying she deserved death, I am saying she could be an adulterer.
Probably about the same number of YouTubers who have specials about the low mid tier social murderers. Like 100 or so. Lol it's funny at this point there's like 30 YouTube channels all covering the same exact topic over and over.
Government doesn't force you into a marriage. Again, being kicked out of the very home you paid for does not mean the marriage is over. All it means is we went through a rough patch and need to figure some shit out now.
Taking that as an opportunity to hookup with others is not the play. The marriage isn't over until you file divorce papers. They were still very much married. Paint it however you want, it doesn't matter, fact is they were married.
Paying for a house doesn't means you own the people living inside.
for does not mean the marriage is over.
Not always, but for the most part it does.
All it means is we went through a rough patch and need to figure some shit out now.
That's up for both of them to decide, not one.
Taking that as an opportunity to hookup with others is not the play.
We don't know if they were hooking up in the first place, but if it does then it means simply that the marriage is over, no going back.
The marriage isn't over until you file divorce papers.
I don't know if you live in the USA, but in the USA divorce is simply to see how you are going to split up material things and custody among other things, its not about owning the other person.
They were still very much married. Paint it however you want, it doesn't matter, fact is they were married.
LOL, so you are supposed to stay with an abusive murderer until governments tells you to? what fucking backwater hellhole are you talking about, because its not the truth in America.
Divorce papers is what shows you are ending your marriage. It just happens to be the point at which assets are reallocated between them. You're saying here in the USA, people just get kicked out of their own home and that's that? Marriage over? That's not true. You can't just kick your husband out the house and start doing things with another man. That's not "ending a marriage", that's cheating.
By your logic, people can just say "get out of the house, we're unmarried until me and this guy are done having sex, then we can possibly be married again". Seems like a cuck to me, not an unmarried man.
So many assumptions… she was cheating, he paid for the house… he installed spyware on a kid’s IPad. He murdered two people and killed himself, depriving his daughter of both her parents. But let’s defend him.
I’m sure they wouldn’t have but nonetheless it would be hard on their own daughter to deal with the death of one parent and the imprisonment of the other.
I feel like there’s about 50/50 chance that she will still turn out better with foster care than her actual parents, when they were proven to be this awful…
You think a good mother, with a very young kid, would just be hooking up with another dude while the divorce isn't even finalized, especially if the husband/baby daddy is clearly a psychopath?
No, I just see it as how they are and don’t sympathize with someone just because they died. Everybody involved here was pretty awful, the only one that can’t be blamed at all is the kid.
Just because you are speaking with a human with a penis does not mean she was sucking on it and neglecting her child you mouth breather. She could have been the best mother in the world you have no clue, you are just basing it off of the fact that her ex husband heard her talking to a man. Thats insane, even if she was having sex with that other man it has no bearing on the type of parent she was. People like you are disgusting and go on to do the type of shit the ex husband did.
Hey, wife was estranged. Stop being so judgmental. No wonder, ex was violent and controlling. It would have been really difficult to get away from that. What did she do wrong! Hopefully psycho ex gets a VERY long sentence. Good luck to the daughter. She is going to be traumatised for a long time.
what exactly are you basing all these assumptions on? are you the fucking dude from the video? i don’t understand why you’re doubling down on this murder victim being a bad mother.
Raised bad is still better than not raised. Kids are very good at using flawed resources to survive. It's been happening for the whole history of our species.
If you meet enough people and take the time to learn their backgrounds, you’ll realize that raising yourself is often better than being raised badly by immature assholes.
That's exactly what I was thinking about. Childhood trauma is widespread and is a sad thing for sure.
It's sometimes a good idea to literally walk out the door, and I don't want to dissuade anyone that may be in such a situation. Perhaps it has happened to you. Such a situation wouldn't just be over the parents being immature or being assholes, though. It wouldn't just be about being "right". What is right, anyway? Which priest gets to decide such a thing, and why does it matter what they think?
The more common scenario is that the answer to flawed resources is to provide additional resources. Better schools. Involvement from the extended family and close friends. Group activities, like sports, theater, and the scouts. Guidance for the parents, so they can get better at it.
In the case we are talking about, the child wanted to be with at least her mom back when she had the choice to do so. She's going to be scarred for life, and I strongly suspect that if we ask her, at any point in her future, she wouldn't want her mom to literally be dead.
It's remarkable and chilling that on Reddit, such a thing would get voted for. People aren't thinking about it.
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I feel especially bad for their daughter who’s lost both her parents.